Who You Will Work With Based on Firm Ranking

And then who you'll be working with this is the kind of the, and I hate to say this and even not, this is not necessarily smart. This is the academic skills and how well people test, test, and so forth. This is a general rule, which is a sign of, I guess you would say academic intelligence, but at your rank one firms, this is typically going to be the lowest.

So the people that you work with may not have done well in law school. And as you get into the ranked vibes, these. Very smart people. For the most part, they do very, they do very well in law school and they, uh, probably, uh, are they catch on to certain things? Very well, same thing with your rank four, the rank four people may be just as smart as the rank five, but there's usually a little bit extra to the rank five in terms of that, this is interesting.

This is the in-person persuasive ability. Meaning if you meet these people at these firms, like how persuasive do they come across? Like how much could they, they typically convince you of something, uh, in person or, uh, and I, I think this, and this [00:01:00] is an, a hoc assessment, but. I would say, can you talk about in persuasive ability?

Like how well could that person convince you of something it's interesting that you rank ones or I would say moderate it's many times because of kind of the subject matter they're dealing with. A lot of times they don't have to be all that persuasive, but that, but they're definitely, you can see these are all attorneys, so they're all persuasive.

I've noticed your rank. Two firm, people are often a little bit, maybe it's because they're straddling sometimes business and so forth. You rank three. For some reason, it's always a little bit less than the rank twos. And I don't know why I would say you're ranked four are often the highest, but they typically are the most persuasive.

I don't know why that is. Now. This is a general rule and you rank three firms. You do get a lot of people like patent attorneys and things, but, but it's interesting. And then you rank five firms it's often high now. It's not the highest. And so you would think because they're the highest academically, that would be the highest, but it's often not the case.

And they're often very smart, but they may not be as persuasive. And then you have here, the street smarts. [00:02:00] Again, someone changed this. I, I would say this actually ranked five is the lowest and you rank one is the highest. So the street smarts are the ability of people to see things coming at them and, and made mistakes.

I once hired someone that came from a ranked five firm to work for us. And, and I think a second day of work, he received one of these emails saying, this is Citibank that we need, you. Log in and give us your birthdate and the social security number. And he was like, okay, no problem. And he did it and had his credit stolen.

So it was just, these are the kind of things that you typically see at a lot of different firms. So this would actually be, I would say your highest, your wants. And, and then this is interesting. Sometimes the, whether you, your coworkers had kind of professional attorneys, professional people that, or parents of coworkers and so forth that might have been doctors, engineers, and so forth.

That's interesting. This again, that was done poorly. It was the wrong numbers in there, but this is first people in the family to be attorneys. So this is interesting. Again, this is done [00:03:00] wrong, but when you it's the one and two is typically going to be the highest and then the rank five will be the lowest.

That's interesting. Then you have first generation Americans. That's another one. And again, there's nothing negative about this, but there is something I think that when you've been around in the country for a long time, you may get better access to educational institutions and so forth. I don't know. And then blue collared backgrounds means just your families were again, not a negative thing, but you're maybe the first person to go to law school.

You're you don't, you're not educated and choosing different types of firms and schools and things, which a lot of times, people that when they become from more middle class backgrounds are so again, this is nothing negative. It's actually very gonna be positive because if you're rank one, you're dealing with a lot of the most part consumers and so forth and, and rank one people and other people that are.

Those backgrounds often, but it's interesting as you move up that, and then again, the, the parents from white collar backgrounds are, are support are the same [00:04:00] thing. I don't know why this, these numbers were, this, this stuff has been changed by someone I really upset about this, but, and then this is the idea of people can get a better job.

So they took the first thing they got. You can see here. I would say rank three, again, would be moderate, but, but this is many of the rank. Three people may have wanted to go to different things. And then you're ranked four and five firms. These, they often could give better jobs if they wanted to. And then many times firm owners of the firm.

Well, meaning if it's close to held, started the firm because they didn't feel like they had other options. Meaning sometimes your one and two firms are often started by people because they couldn't get jobs outta law school. So they started their own immigration firm or their own personal injury firm.

And they felt that was the best option for them. And so it's very likely, that's the case more likely than not compared to five firms and so forth. And then this is very interesting. This is peers you're working with become, become a general counsel, become a federal. So in you rank one firms, this is typically the lowest, and it's also low in [00:05:00] your rank two and some extent, I would say it's more moderate in your rank three, and you rank firm four firms.

A lot of your peers will become general counsel or federal judges and things like that. And then your rank five firms, it's almost certain that people that you're working with will become to much more important roles inside of other practice settings later on. So it's interesting because if you start out at a fourth firm and have to realize that a lot of your peers will become very successful later on and will be sources of clients, they'll become sources, but because they'll be in high ranking positions inside of different companies and so forth.

So it's very interesting. And then again, this is top 10 law schools. So you'll have, if you're working in a one firm, it's much less likely that you'll be going with people at top 10 law schools than a rank five firm, four firm, almost without, without many rank four firms and five firms, almost all, all recruited from those schools.

And then again, the top of your class, top of class, at least top schools, someone's gotta rank five firm. The odds are that they were the very top of class. Uh, [00:06:00] one of those firms or one of those schools, I would say, uh, rank four. You do not need to be, if you go to a top 10 law school anywhere near the top 10, uh, very top your class to get a job there, but going to a top 10 law school is very helpful for, uh, getting a job.

One of those firms be that need be at the top of your class. Then local law schools are the top of their class, meaning even the rank four firms and the rank five firms will even hire people at the very top of their class from local law. So there are, I'm sure at rank five firms in New York people that went to New York law school, but they were probably the very, very top of their class, if not right up there.

And the same thing with our rate four firms, they will hire people at the very top of their class, most of the time from different law schools. So that's something to consider, but you do not need to be the top of your class at the local law school to get a job at a rank one or two firm. And then again, it's the same thing with commuter schools.

So commuter schools would be pace law school, state John's, places like that. And New York would be an example, many firm [00:07:00] attorneys, meaning a lot of people there are from those local commuter schools. So that again, the higher those different ranks, the more you go up there, the higher that is, and then people doing poorly in these commuter schools would be obviously you're one, two firms.

The higher, your rank, three firms typically will start paying a lot of attention to your grades. They ranked four firms will pay a ton of attention to your grades, especially if you meter law school, federal appellate clerkships, which are workers use in district court clerkships. If people did clerkships, they ranked five firms.

You're typically many times ranked five firms, by the way, don't even have people that did clerkships because they consider their experience better. But to the extent that they do have people, they often did the appellate clerkships and got appellate clerkships, right outta school, instead of having to do district clerkship first, and then federal district courtship, very high, I would say even highest firm ranked four firms, lots of people in ranked four firms typically have done district core clerkships.

I would also say that's more moderate at ranked [00:08:00] three firms that people did district court clerkships, and then firms, state court clerkships almost unheard of and ranked four and five firms. Certainly they do them, but, and again, rank one firms rankings can best with published law review articles, so forth, meaning during practice, and also after it obviously goes up as you get into the higher firms.

And that kinda makes sense. There worked in house. You start getting into people a lot of times, if you are in house are the most logical place. The firms that most likely place people that are inhouse do is they go to, to extent that they do will go to rank three firms and very rare. Do they ever go into rank four or five?

And then pro bono work, typically you rank five firms. There's not a lot of that happening many times. That's not to say that they don't, but in you rank four firms, that's where most of that is occurring is rank four. And just one second.

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