Quarterly Legal Resume Review Workshop

Description

Harrison's five core factors for permanent law firm positions were highlighted:

• The ability to do the job.
• Willingness to stay long-term.
• Being manageable.
• Showing commitment to the role.
• Effectively communicating these qualities through the resume.

As the webinar concluded, attendees were armed with the knowledge needed to improve their resumes and stand out in the competitive legal job market, ultimately increasing their chances of securing their desired law firm positions.

Transcript:

All right, so we're going to get started. This is why we do this each quarter. It's a resume review workshop. Just before we started, we received an incredible number of resumes that would take me very long, Maybe a day to interview. To review. So I will review a lot of them today, and we'll go several hours if we need to.
 
But at the same time, some very common resumes are resumes of people who have never worked in law firms. It doesn't look like that. Everyone who works in law firms and those sorts of resumes will review a few. But. But, there's a lot of those.
 
And so we'll review examples of that. And if I don't review your resume today, I probably may; there's a good chance I will because we selected many different types, but these reviews will. Touch on resumes that are just like yours. So that's what I think I managed to do before I got started. This should have been emailed to you before the webinar, and this is an example of some resume rules that are important if you want to.
 
Get a position and bar positions; by the way, the way I review resumes is that we're a placement firm that only does law firm placement. You may have a resume that would be very good for in-house. I will critique a few of those resumes today. You may have a resume that would be very good if you were working overseas because you're from overseas and a different country in many cases where English is not the primary language.
 
I'll review a few of those, but those are complicated types of attorneys to place and a permanent law firm role. What's helpful about this, which will be very useful today, is that I will go into a lot of detail about what you need to do to make your resume as good as it possibly can be.
 
During the webinar I, this is the live webinar. You can certainly ask questions. I will refer to them from time to time. Some people may have questions about the resume while I'm reviewing it. And I will try to look at those as well. And after we complete the review of resumes, I'll take some time to answer any questions people have.
 
This article should have been sent as a PDF before or recently. I decided that it would be helpful to go over this real quickly before we start the resume reviews because there are just so many common errors that people need to make. On the resumes that you should fix, you need to take this document, go through it, and look at your resume from the perspective of these rules.
 
Now, these rules are the most important, but. As you do this, you will see in your resume all these problems and can fix them. These rules apply to in-house attorneys, foreign attorneys, and others. But you must take a look at these rules.
 
And then with your resume, you may want to print out your resume. Even right after this call, you take a look at these rules, and these rules are just fundamental. These are the same mistakes that people make over and over again on their resumes.
 
 
These are the mistakes that prevent people from getting jobs. What will be nice about this review today is once you make the changes I'm suggesting, if you want to get a job in the law firm, you will have an exponentially better chance because this is all I do. I've been doing it for 25 years.
 
Review hundreds of resumes per day, and based on the ones that follow these rules, people get jobs working. So, in our company, these are fundamental rules, and the more you can look at them and understand how they apply, the better off your resume will be. And the benefit, of course, is this is what you're getting.
 
The focus of someone who does nothing but law firms and the thing, the benefit, by the way, for anybody in a government position that's in an in-house position is that law firms are everywhere. They're in every city. They're in almost every street. They're very much part of every community in the United States.
 
It seems logical that would be your best chance of getting a position. If you're in-house, it's probably your best chance. Law students, your best chance if you're in government is your best chance now from those from in-house and for government and public interest of employers do prefer people from those positions in similar practice settings.
 
So, it's easier for an in-house attorney many times to get an in-house position with another in-house company. But simultaneously, they're unlikely to find positions in their geographic region. So these are some of the rules. I'll just talk about them briefly. If you're applying to a law firm job, you do need to avoid things about not practicing law.
 
People will put things in there all the time. They'll say I'm currently an entrepreneur. I saw one today where someone said they were running a muffler franchise. And your resume needs to show that you're committed to practicing law and only a little other stuff.
 
So you certainly can put interest in things, but you have to be careful about jobs that don't involve practicing law. Things that don't relate to the position of what you're trying to do. Because if you do that, people are going to believe that those are the things you want to do.
Almost every resume.
 
Now, what's interesting... Is that what I reviewed before this call? I'm not going to go through tons of them, but I'm going to do a few law student resumes. Law student resumes are often much better than practicing attorney resumes.
 
As a matter of fact, in almost every case, when you take the average resume of an attorney and compare it to a law student, the law student's resume is better because They do things like everything on there tends to be about practicing law since they graduated from law school, or while they're in law school.
 
Everything on there needs a summary, summaries of your experience. And I'll just, I'm going to say this stuff right now because I'm going to run through this fairly quickly when we're doing the resume reviews, but summaries of experience. We are almost talking down to a law firm. You're saying you don't understand what I do.
 
I have to summarize it. I have to use keywords, and attorneys inside of law firms are just going to evaluate you pretty much based on your experience. You don't need to tell them the stuff you need to let them reach those conclusions on your own. So, the most effective attorneys will allow jurors and the other side to reach conclusions on their own without forcing them to accept a conclusion.
 
So what does that mean? That means that if you try to force someone to conclude, they won't pay attention to you. But if they read something, I'll conclude on their own. They're going to feel like they own it. So, you want people to feel like they own their conclusions about you instead of summarizing them.
 
So I'll talk about that. Other priorities mean precisely that. If you're putting other priorities on your resume, these are the five things that employers are looking for. The five most important things. A lot of things employers or law firm employers are looking for.
 
And I'm talking, by the way, when I say law firm employers. Reviewing your resume for a permanent position. So, it is not a contract position but a permanent position. And so I'm going to review a lot of contract attorney resumes today, so I'm going to help you with them. But reviewing for a permanent position and not a temporary one, not a contract.
 
Permanent position. So this is what I do. I don't make contract attorney placements. I don't make placements outside of law firms. This is all I do. So that's what I'm going to talk to you about today. So they're looking for what you can do if you can do the job, which is fine. But the biggest question they're looking for is, will you do the job long term, can you be managed, and do you want the job?
 
So, if you start putting things on your resume that have nothing to do with practicing law, it will look like you have other priorities. If you're moving between law firms and public interest firms, it will look different from what you want. It would help if you thought about that.
 
Then, I'm not going to spend too much time on these, but you don't want to have a lot of people today turn in resumes that were three pages long, ten pages long, one was 25 pages long of an attorney that had been out of school five, five years. So you don't want to, if you when people do resumes like this, those resumes need to be clarified.
 
They look like the person can't make concise arguments. They it's not; a judge wants to avoid reviewing a 200-page brief. They'll review; they have page limits, five pages, seven pages. And so this is what, the same thing you need to do with your resume. You can only make it a little bit.
 
Some of this other stuff entrepreneurs need to be eliminated. You need to talk about being careful if you're a contract attorney; we will talk about many resumes like that today. It would help if you were very careful about making your resume look like you're a specialist and not a general.
 
So, just as attorneys, law firms hire attorneys, you would hire a doctor with specific experience. If you had a brain tumor, you would want to go to a doctor who does that, not a generalist who brags they've done orthopedic work; they've done they've been a phlebotomist.
 
They, you just, you wouldn't want that. And law firm clients are the same way. Unless it's a tiny firm in a small town, almost every law firm is looking for specialists. Suppose it's like a corporate law firm that does corporate in a small to medium-sized market.
 
In that case, they may do corporate general, they may have corporate generalists that do M&A and Finance and securities, but they're not going to have they're not going to want that person also to do litigation.
 
It's scarce. So your resume, whatever you do, needs to make it look like you're a specialist, that you do one thing. Now, litigation can be one thing. Corporate can be one thing. A patent can be one thing, but the more specific you are. The better off you're going to be. And you also need to realize that in all industries, just like the law, there's a preference for younger, more trainable people.
 
So that's about the fact that law firms want you to be able to be managed. What happens to older attorneys, and we're going to review a ton of older attorney resumes today, is they have so many different jobs. The law firms conclude that this person will take a lot of work to give orders to and for them to do the work.
 
And I've noticed that in my own company. If I hire very senior people, when I was younger, they would scoff at getting. Assignments many times, and this is just how it is, or they would eventually believe that they know better. And so you have to look like you can manage many things.
 
If you're older, that's very important. It's not that you can't get higher, but you have to look like that. Now, a lot of people are. Listing all their bar admissions and things on their resumes. Some people list them at the very top when they have 20-plus years of experience. You don't want to do that.
 
It's presumed. If you're working in a market as an attorney, you are admitted; you don't need to tell law firms that. You don't need to tell them you're admitted to the district court, which anyone can get sponsored, and you may want to tell them that you're admitted in another state.
 
But even that, if that's recent, that's a problem because it looks like you'll move. Some people will say I've got this MBE score that makes it. It's straightforward for me to move markets, and that's probably not a good idea because then the firm's thinking you can go anywhere.
 
You have to be very careful. We'll see a bunch of things today of people that have more than five years of experience that put their resume, put that at the very top of their resume, for their law school. If you have more than five years of experience, your people don't care about your education anymore.
 
For the most part, they're not even going to ask for grades when you apply to firms. They may before, before making an offer, but most of the time, unless it's a giant firm, they don't care. All they care about is your professional competence, and law school is over like you cannot worry about that.
 
You can say you went to an outstanding law school, or you went to law school and where you went and how you did at the bottom of your resume. But the only thing employers care about at that point is your how you are, the fact of what you're doing. And again, I see attorneys that went to schools that could be better regarded.
 
It could be third or fourth-year law school, but they wind up at significant firms, and they're just as marketable after a couple of years of training there as they would be if they'd gone to a great law school, maybe a little bit less marketable, but not much. And so it doesn't matter. And then many people list all these activities in law school like they were a member of this association and this association.
 
No one cares. You only want to list perfect things on your resume. If you're looking for a position, what that means is you want to say something other than you are a member of an association. You don't want to. It's just sending people down a rabbit hole that has no meaning and no one cares.
 
You should be. You can, and if you highlight your GPA, some people will write, I got a 3. 1 in law school, put me in the top, 40 percent or something. Again, you want to highlight something other than that sort of stuff. You want not to address your weaknesses and the things that you're not, that you need to do better.
 
No one in every law firm tries to hire people who don't address their weaknesses. And what does that mean? If you had a lawyer, you wouldn't want your lawyer coming in and saying, Hey, I win 50 percent of all my trials or I, in the, or my clients, this is some of their vast weaknesses, and you should be aware of them.
 
You don't do that. Lawyers don't respect that. Same thing with skills. People will say, I know Microsoft Word. I'm capable of operating West, capable of doing searches on Westlaw. These are things that every attorney does, and you want to avoid listing. And I could go on and on. But some people even say that they know how to use email.
A lot of resumes do. It's wild. Don't tell people references are available. That means if references weren't available, that would concern them. So, just wait to put references available that it's presumed if they want references, they will not. It's ridiculous, and it's just almost condescending if you have any legal job, you don't want to put things there that have titles that don't help you.
 
So many people. I was working on it Yesterday. There are hundreds of titles that people have in law firms that aren't attorney jobs. There are contract attorney jobs, there are per diem attorney jobs, and there's managing attorney, which is not associate attorney jobs.
 
They're all these different titles that have nothing to do with that. So, you want to avoid putting the titles on your resume. I'll talk to you about how to do that. You can put that you were an attorney, or you can just put that you don't have to put your title. Sometimes, if you were doing that, you just put the fact that you worked at this firm from these dates and let people figure it out.
 
There's consistency. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about upward mobility. If you can, we talked about the weaknesses. I'm almost done with these people who want to think that you're continually improving, not going downhill, so that you're reaching some sort of realization that there's something that you're missing in your current position that you're not doing, and then if you did well as a foreign attorney at a foreign law school that can be helpful. Still, it would help if you told people what that is.
 
Summarizing the experience, we'll talk about that. Solo practitioners, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about a few of those resumes today. The problem with solo practitioners is the same thing I talked about earlier, which is being able to be managed. Why would a solo practitioner with 20 years of experience as a solo Want to work in a law firm where someone's going to manage them, and they're not going to have their freedom?
 
So you have to talk about those missions. If you put them at the end of your resume and again, this stuff about weaknesses, covering that up, and you need to do that as well. And then so many resumes. I almost hesitate to talk about it, but you need to make sure that you don't have any errors, typos, or insufficient punctuation on your resume.
 
And a lot of people do have this. Probably more than 70 percent of the resumes I review have these errors. It would help if you used Grammarly or ProWritingAid and all these different things because a lot of, when you make errors, you're only sometimes aware of them. Even if you proofread yourself, you'll just go over different things.
 
I was looking at something that I wrote Yesterday, what, and I saw that I wrote the same statement, like in addition, and then I wrote in addition twice, like people do stuff like this. So it would help if you made sure because, as an attorney, you're expected to be able to write well. Whether you're a corporate attorney or a litigator, the grammatically correct things.
 
So that's very important. So that's, those are some of the kind of initial rules that I want to make sure everyone is aware of. I would very much like it if you receive this, encourage you to run your resume through this and save this and write your resume through it. Anytime you're looking for a job, meaning one year from now, two years from now, ten years from now.
 
And just understand the stuff. Now, each of these I've put articles in. I've written hundreds of articles about resumes, but a lot. So, I would look at these articles as well. If you have any questions, because your job is to position yourself. As someone very strong. So, I'm going to start with these resumes.
 
I'll go through this group of resumes. I may have another group, depending on how this goes. But we'll get started with this one. So, this resume is an attorney who was a solo practitioner and is currently working at a law firm in addition to being a solo practitioner.
 
And they've been doing that since 2001. And then now they're working at this different firm, and this is what's going on. So, just to start, I said this earlier, but you want to avoid listing the fact that you're. Admitted to the bar in a state you're working, people know that you don't need to list at the top of your resume as if it's the most important thing that you've got admission to your response or in some, you got admitted to a federal district court any attorney can do that.
 
So it's not too much of an achievement, and people don't care. It's expected. You have to be able to in any resume; you have to know how to prioritize information. That's important, and do things that way. So what I would do here is this person also has put down that the firm was formally this.
 
I don't think anybody's probably aware that's reviewing this with the former firm where you may just want to say you were at this; you're at this firm for 2018 to present, you don't talk about name changes and all that sort of thing. It's just not relevant to that. I'm concerned about this person having all these different practice areas.
 
So they're doing a bunch of different things. So this kind of resume, you can see here, they're doing all this sort of thing. If you're a generalist, that's fine. You don't need to say where the location is. Of what you've done, you don't have to. You don't have to put in the fact that, that, it's just that and then including entrapment by authority to regard.
 
So, if you had 23 years of experience, you must be very careful about what you list because a lot of this is presumed to be what an attorney would do. So, an immigration attorney will work with the Customs and Border Attention. So this person is also saying they're doing immigration law, but then they talk about matrimonial criminal cases.
 
Which could be a lot more problematic. Then, they talk about litigation, immigration, and all these different things. And then, these different sorts of things could be more critical. So, what I would recommend for this particular resume is figuring out a way where you can talk about all your experience very quickly.
 
The other thing I need help understanding with his resume is the person's been a solo practitioner since 2001. Still, they were an associate from some date to 2016 and then working, so it looks like they've had many different positions, and I need clarification on that. They were a senior associate from 2000 to 2002 and then a solo practitioner from 2001.
 
So, these dates need to be clarified. It needs to be more prominent. This has nothing to do with practicing law. So, no one cares about that. And then the education is at the end. That's great. I like that person's electrical engineer if they were doing patent work, but electrical engineering is sound.
 
When an attorney gets older, or often doesn't necessarily want to list things that show your age. So, I would probably take electrical engineering. I would take this to you; you just have to be careful. Graduating in 1995 is okay. I'm not telling you to lie.
 
I'm just telling you to remove this stuff. So, this resume is from an older attorney who probably has yet to do a resume in a long time. But the big deal is you have all these things on here that have nothing to do with the person's current practice area. And so you need to drill down.
 
What I would personally do with this resume, if I were advising this person and they were my candidate, I would say, make everything about immigration. That's the only thing you can do to save this resume, in my opinion. So you don't want, if you're working, trying to work in a law firm, what you want to do is to make sure that you give the law firm a reason to hire you.
 
And you have to show some sort of commitment to a practice area. That's what I would recommend. Talking about these different things, people you helped when you were an associate, is unnecessary.
 
You could talk about your experience, but really, what I would do is I would just eliminate all of those things, talking about your previous experience that has nothing to do with practicing immigration law, which sounds like what you did. I would just say that you certainly could. No one cares.
 
26 Federal Plaza is the address. And so there's a lot of things that this person can do to improve the resume. I think that putting down that you're a solo practitioner and you've been doing that for all this time may be okay, but you have to work at some, probably. You have to figure out a way to work it in there.
 
Okay, so the next resume is attractive. This person is doing the same thing. They're putting all this stuff up here, meaning they're calling themselves a creative problem solver and all these sorts of things. They're very experienced attorneys, it looks like. 2015, and they're talking about all of these places where they're pending, and calling yourself an attorney at law is obviously what you are.
 
There's no reason. You put that in there. There's no reason to put your relatives to use your relevant skills. People will say that law firms are innovative, and they can figure that information out. If you have a barred mission pending, I'm trying to see where this person is. I can't tell, but if you're pending admission in a market where it's just anybody that can wave in after specific years of experience, no one, you don't need to list that.
 
Now, sometimes, I don't know if this person's in New York, sometimes, but. Attorneys in New York will also have New Jersey and things like that. That's okay. And you want to list that if you're in multiple markets. Another time you might want to do that is if you were in New York and California, which are critical states to be admitted to.
 
So, in New York State, if you're in New Jersey, many people will do that. It's okay to list anytime you're admitted to Florida or California. It's essential to list what I would say to Florida, California, and New York. The reason for Florida and California is that they are tough exams.
 
People have to. The way then and not waving. They have to take the exam, and it's very hard to get into. So, if you are in any of those states and you're working in another state, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Wait in and not wait.
 
And they have to take the exam, and it's very hard to get into. So if you are in any of those states and you're working in another state, there's absolutely nothing wrong with listing those, but listing a bunch of other states sometimes is a distraction that you can.
 
But you don't want to list that you're applying there because if this person says they're pending admission in another state, then all the employer will think is they will probably try to move there. So that's probably something that could be more helpful. Okay. This language could be better.
 
What I would recommend. Now, this is a new suggestion I haven't discussed before, but I would recommend taking your resume for anyone to take your resume and let me just pull up something here. If I can give me one second, I'm going to show you something cool right now.
 
So, a lot of these statements, let's just say here like this. Statement here. There's all sorts of prompts and things you can try on chat. An example would be, can you make, you can try all sorts of things if you want, but can you make the statement more direct, relevant, less wordy, and less susceptible?
 
I'm just this is just an example, and now you can come up with your ideas and you, but this is, you can see here, I just want to show you, this is a much better direct type of statement about this than than than than resolve same, and that, that's not how people talk, so you want to make
 
You need to make your resume, and this is a significant example for everyone. I want to ensure everyone understands this because this is one of the most important things you can do with your resume.
 
You need to make sure that your resume uses language. Your resume needs to use language that people use. Your resume needs to sound like people talk. So you can't. You can't, you're not. So what I will say, and I want to be polite here, is the resumes of people that don't get a lot of input, which would n't have their work reviewed or don't get jobs and things and have problems.
 
They have these resumes where they sound like they're Old English or something, some sort of language I've never heard. And they use words many times. I have to look them up. It's just wild. And you have to write your resume and the way people talk. This particular resume here, I don't know.
 
That we could, you could, I don't know if you've tried this, but you may be able to run the entire thing through your chat, you read to you. Let me see how that works. And I'm just doing this, and you do the same thing.
 
Give me one second. One second. I'm taking this because I want to make sure that. It's the same thing I'm typing in there, and all of a sudden, this is not good. It's showing the person that's why I wanted to do it. But it's much better when you do when you run your resume, your chat, so I've never.
 
I said this before, but I would recommend coming up with different instructions like the one I did here, which is, let's see this, but different ways to improve your resume using chat, GBT; it will help you tremendously because a lot of times people are just from having all this language. It just sounds wild.
 
So you need to talk to people, and you need to take guidance From chat GBT. And I don't; I can't give you all the suggestions today, but you want to clean up the language. You want to make it clean up, make the language more real world.
 
You want to do sorry, it's not the one. Yeah, it would help if you used something like this. And I'm just, and you need to, if you can run this resume, sorry, this resume more direct, less wordy, less assumptive, and then cut and paste your resume in there and just see and eliminate. To be able to do something like that. So, just come up with different prompts. You could let me just do one thing here. And the reason I'm showing this to you is because these are some examples right here.
 
So, this search will give you all sorts of prompts to improve your resume. You're still going to need to use it. The information I'm providing is enormous if you can use it, and again, I've never talked about this, but this will help you tremendously. This was just my prompt example.
 
Had I had a lot of time on it, I would have done more, but you need to check GPT for fixing resumes. This is just an example, and you can see. All of these examples, all of this content you're getting right here, that is, is very helpful. If you have all of this information you can, you can improve your resume with this.
 
Running listing all my rules and all sorts of things will help you if you can fix your resume. Okay. Allow their system to improve your resume. You could even say, for lawyers, this is the Google search. But you need, I would recommend now in this day and age, using chat GBT to improve your resume just to eliminate the foul language that doesn't work.
 
And all that sort of thing. So this alone, I think, is worth the mission here, the price of admission, because this will help you tremendously in addition to all of the other rules I'm providing. So this is interesting. So here this is interesting. This, you just, anytime you have extended language and things, it's better to say experience.
 
People prefer to read only a few words. So, I worked at an excellent litigation firm when I was a young attorney, and one of the things they did was so interesting. They did things like they would figure out how to eliminate different language and things from the things you didn't need to make things shorter to make them so an attorney, a law for a judge could just read subject headings that were supposed to be in almost every page or page and a half.
 
So it would help if you made things that way. So here, this person graduated from law school in 2015. So that's fine. But here, when they graduated, they were an executive assistant to a CEO, and it looks like they've done all this other stuff. Telling someone you're working for a 5,000 Fortune 500 employment staffing company is probably optional.
 
You can go into a bit of detail there. The reason is that if you graduated from law school and didn't work in a law firm, you will need clarification on any type of law firm reviewing your job review. It's drawing attention to the fact that you're not practicing law.
 
I would say I like only some of these statements about doing something which is a mistake. A lot of people make them. I do not like at all the fact that this person worked and did work as an executive assistant to the CEO and COO. And you do not want to show anyone that you're not practicing as an attorney.
 
It's just not good. And then you don't need to talk about the fact that you sharpened your legal writing skills. Of course, you did. Any clerk that's doing that is, of course, they're sharpening their writing skills. This is wild. You don't want to put that. You don't need to say that you were briefed by the judge daily on labor law things.
 
I don't know why in the world. You would want to discuss that when you're currently a corporate counsel as an investment banker. I don't know; we'll talk about that briefly, but you don't need to talk about briefing the judge daily. Your job as the writer of a resume, and this applies to everyone your job is to keep the resume short and to the point.
 
Any time you put in extra experience and more things, you're hurting yourself. So you never put extra, and I will send these notes to everyone too, as well as these marked-up resumes after this call, but never so anybody that's on the call, I will send this these markups and things to you, but you can print them up but never put the people's tasks that have nothing to do.
 
With your current job. Why would you put that? It needs to be helping you. Saying you're an executive assistant is crazy. You wanna, why would you take a job? Why would you graduate from law school and become an executive assistant? People do this kind of stuff all the time. But I'm telling you, it's wild.
 
And then this, your job, you must keep things short and to the point. You don't need to say what you did for the solutions company. You don't need to say what you did for the state Supreme Court. You can just say your judicial fellow. And then this person gets out, and here they go.
 
They're their legal careers. And that's great. So, they create a personal injury. Okay. No one cares about informing protocol. No one cares about this other stuff. No one cares about this. No one cares about the fact that you've developed expertise. No one will be confused if you say you're doing commercial lease agreements and personal injury law.
 
Like, why would you? Come on. I just want everyone to understand. Why in the world would you want to start talking about all of these practice areas? So you learned litigation here, and then suddenly you're doing commercial lease agreements, and now you're doing employment law.
 
This is wild. Like you can't if you are right now, if you are right now, whatever this is, I don't know what this is. I wonder if this is a contract job. I am still determining what it is. But we'll just talk a little bit about that. If you're doing these things, you can go into some detail.
 
You want to have only some of these conflicting practice areas. There. So, if you are applying for a personal injury job as a plaintiff's attorney, you certainly can do that. You don't want to say that you're seeing you don't want it. You don't need to say that you're a staff attorney. You can just say you're a senior attorney.
 
What I'm showing you now is this is a big deal, and I want everyone to understand this because this resume is an excellent example of what many people are doing that's very harmful to You don't want to draw attention to things that look like weaknesses. So, a weakness means that you are telling people That you are, oops, that's not good.
 
If you're sorry about that, fix that. Cause I want people to be able to see this later. You don't need to tell people you're moving around and doing all these different things. It's wild. In satisfying New York and federal laws like these, this doesn't make any sense. Of course, you're satisfying the law.
 
You can list some of these. I would recommend, with this particular resume, taking out all this stuff. You don't; you just say you're an associate. That's all you don't want to talk about. Like you need to, people need to read your resume, which goes for everyone.
 
People need to read a resume. The resume needs to have a scent, which means the resume needs to look like. That you're being hired, that you're doing the work, you are doing the work,
the work you have always done, doing the work, that, and have always done the work, the work, that you've been, that you've been hired for, that, that you've been, that you're being hired to do.
 
So you don't, and that you've been hired, that you're being hired to do work that you're trying to do this is these are prominent examples of huge mistakes people make on their resumes.
Now, regarding this person's particular resume, I'm not in any way attacking this person because everybody's resume most of these resumes do this.
 
Now, here, I don't understand. So let me just see here. So this person. He is working as a staff attorney here. Okay. To see this. And again, if this person needs to do that, they're moving around between all these practice areas.
 
So you, if you're a, here's something my father once said, and then since that time, I've read this numerous times, but by the time you're 35, you are 35. You should know precisely what you want to do. Exactly. It would help if you did not have any doubt about it. And know exactly what you want to do, and that goes for people who are anybody.
 
So it would help if you looked like that. And I'm just saying this is just a piece of life advice. And I will give some life advice today, but you want to do what you want. And if you don't, you're not; the world will decide for you, and you'll have to take what you get.
 
So if you look at everybody that has different things and that's been very successful, whether it's a, again, a brain surgeon or whether it's an Elon Musk or Elon Musk is I'm going to do electric cars and do electric cars.
 
That was his focus. And then it's after doing that, it's other things. But most people Zuckerberg's I'm going to run this Facebook. Everyone successful knows what they want to do. So I want to tell everyone on this call, especially young attorneys, what do I do? My only job, this is my only job.
 
I've been doing it for 25 years. I don't; I work with law firm attorneys doing one thing. And that's it. I don't; if I did 15 different things, I would never be focused, and I would stay in business. So everyone that succeeds knows precisely what they want to do.
 
So if you don't know exactly what you want to do, and you've had a career not knowing precisely what you want to do, then you need to de-emphasize that because people want to hire people that know precisely what they want to do. People who want to hire these people who succeed are all doing that; it's just how it is. It's an example of being an attorney.
 
It's not enough. More is needed for everyone. I just want everyone to understand. It's not enough at all. You have to know what type of attorney you will work with, what type of practice setting, what location, meaning practice setting means in-house, law firm, whatever.
 
You have to know the practice setting. You have to know the location. There's a great book, and I talk about this a lot. But think and grow rich. It's one of the most influential books that you could ever read.
 
And I'll tell you why. Because and, yeah, I remember being at a Tony Robbins event, and he said that everybody he knows read it. Seriously, reading it is very good financially in their careers, and the people who have read it every year are even better off than the people who have read it twice a year or even better off.
 
So this book talks about things like having a definite goal. It would help if you had a definite goal. You need to; if you want something, you can get it. If you'll figure out every single way to do it, it talks about being persistent towards that goal. And that's very important.
 
So, it would help if you were persistent towards your goals. It talks about having a desire for those goals. It talks about surrounding yourself with people who also share those goals or surrounding yourself with people that you can learn from. It talks about eliminating negative things.
 
So what are negative things like eliminating negative thought patterns? And I'm telling everyone this because I hope. This could change your life. I've received cards from people before telling me this has changed their lives. So, this will change your life, but it's eliminating negative behavior and thought patterns.
 
Negative thought patterns are things like jealousy, jealousy, and beer. And cultivating. Positive, cultivating things like cultivating self-confidence. So, I'm going to go only a little bit into this. But my point is that anyone who succeeds with anything will always have a definite goal.
 
And that's what the world respects. And that's what will get you ahead as an attorney. It is knowing precisely what you want to do. I see all the time attorneys that I've known that I've placed that start their practices, but they start them in the ones that succeed, start them in adorable things. I know one woman who started a practice in San Francisco and the Bay Area somewhere.
 
And all she does is a specific type of Software services agreement. And she has a website about it, and that's all she does. And she charges incredible amounts of money to do these and review these agreements, and there's nothing special about her. If she were trying to be all things to all people with her practice area, with her firm, she would.
 
Fall on her face. Now, she's an extremely wealthy, successful person. So that's all you need to do. To start your firm, you must have a definite goal. I know one woman who is incredibly successful and has nothing but extraordinary ability. Immigration petitions for people trying to get into the United States.
 
That's it, just one thing. So this is the problem with many of these resumes: they're all over the map. And you have to; someone must look at your resume and think. This person will be good for this, not this and this and this and this. So you can't do that. You just can't do it.
 
Now. I think right here, this person is a contract attorney. I don't know. It doesn't matter to me, but why would you be a managing partner? And then a contract attorney, for me, I would just ask why this job stopped. And you invited, you advised a corporate council and an investment banker in the financial district.
 
Like, why does everyone think they need to put these locations of where they did, where they were going to court, or where they are? It's just wild. So this is pretty interesting. This experience, I like it. If this were run through chat GPT, it would be pretty good. So I liked this experience, and I think this is good.
 
But deterring illicit liquor and contraband violations by counseling restaurants. I don't know. All you need to do is litigation and transactional. This resume needs to focus on something. No staff attorney, you take that out. So this is a lot of work. I hope this person fixes their resume because if they do and they fix these things, they can probably get a decent job.
 
I don't know why you aren't a partner anymore. What happened? So people will ask these questions, and you need to make yourself. Look strong. Now, this is your firm. It would help if you continued it. So I've seen, and I've seen a lot of people with their firm that suddenly put a drop dead date on it as it stopped, and then they go in, and there's nothing after it.
 
So why would your firm die? So you have to look, make yourself look strong. So transactional law meets competition. No. Published thesis. No. And I'm sorry. Are you a member of the law review? You can write that down. People write these certifications all the time. Come on. Why is an IP certification applicable to a law firm if you're not applying?
 
People do this stuff all the time. The problem is that this person's talking about this interest in something that has nothing to do with what you're doing. Again, people need to read your resume. No one cares that you were the model United Stations Alpha Delta chair and the cheerleader.
 
Come on, no one cares. You have to... Remove all of this stuff from your resume. Now, it's anything that gives the scent of something else that's not related to what you do that what you want to do needs to be removed. You just don't talk about it. You just basically say you work someplace.
 
And this is, this advice, by the way, will get everyone here tons more interviews. You have to do this, but something other than what you want to do will hurt. So, you may have different resumes for different practice areas. I don't care, but you have to talk about one thing. If you don't talk about one thing, you'll be taken advantage of by the legal market.
 
You'll be paid as a contract attorney forever. You will not get jobs. All these evil things will happen, but anything not related to what you want to do needs to come off. So that just comes off. So you figure out how to do that? You know it comes off, meaning you don't write. People can ask if the job will be on your resume, but you must remove it.
 
Now, there are a lot of things that this person could do, by the way, like to talk about all of these things because all the stuff conflicts, you could just say between, and this is what I would do if it were my resume. I would say between 2000 and 15 and 16, I held positions. At the following firms or whatever that date is until this thing happens.
 
That's all I would say. And I would just say you would have legal experience; I would have something related to that. So I would just put in-house count or law firm attorney and in-house counsel. I would put something like that. I'll just show you how you do it. This is for everyone that's had a lot of experience.
 
I would just say law firm attorney, firm associate. All right. And your partner is a law firm attorney and partner, something like that. Then I would go, this is how you clean this stuff up. And you, everyone, has to clean this stuff up. So you would say law firm attorney and law firm attorney and in-house counsel.
 
And again, I hope everyone sees what I'm doing right now because this will change your career. So if you're doing this house council and then you put the dates, that's it. You just say, Hey, these are the dates of when I did it. So I did it between 2000 and this person's grade, 2017 to 2023.
 
Following law school, I've worked my primary experience as an attorney concentrate, with a concentration on corporate-related work, whatever type of job you're trying to get, corporate-related work for law firms, In law firms, and three law, in, three law firms, whatever the number is, and two corporations, two corporations.
 
Then maybe you'd say the names of the law firms, including corporations, and then you would just say including and whatever, something along the lines of who those were. You clean up all this crap because if you take people in 15 different directions on your resume, what the hell are they supposed to conclude?
 
If you just say this. This will look like you don't want people to think when reviewing your resume, and I'm sorry to go into so much detail about this particular stuff. This is just crucial for everyone. This is one of the most important things this person could do to get a job.
 
And if they do this, people will pay attention as long as it's directed at one thing massive, hugely important. My primary experience has been, sorry, has been as a law firm attorney. And again, this particular thing I'm doing right now, I hope everyone understands this and pays attention.
 
I hope you pay attention now. And I hope you pay attention in the rest of your careers because this is. Then you can just focus on my primary experience. You just say a few lines there, and I won't tell you what to say.
 
But by the way, I have seen this work. I know an attorney, and this is funny, but I know Harrison knows an attorney that is 20 years out of law school or almost; it's more than an attorney that is 25 years out of law school or maybe even 20, 20, 25 plus years out of law school.
 
And for the most part, it has been switching firms every. Every 18 months or so. 25 plus years. And has always worked at AMLAW 200 law firms. Always got another job. So, I want everyone to make sure people understand this. He's done litigation when he started his career.
 
He's worked in OHIO, he's worked in New York. He's worked in Chicago. He's worked in Sacramento. He's worked in San Francisco. He's worked in Los Angeles. He's worked in Orange County. And why so many jobs? Now, he does have some business, but not a ton. He's had so many jobs because he is a raging alcoholic.
 
Meaning every day during work, all sorts of times. And people pick up on it fairly quickly. It usually takes a year. He'll stop coming to work; he'll blow deadlines. He will not make meetings in the morning because he's so hung over.
 
He doesn't know what to do. But he has been able to get jobs every 18 months for the past 25 years. So, as a complete drunk. So, I'm not saying that as any lousy statement. Russian and that, but he's not Russian and Russian by blood, not anyway.
 
The point is that this is what he does. Same thing. It goes to the law firm attorney between these dates, and then he lists who has worked at some of the following firms. Doesn't say the cities, but I have worked at some of the following firms as an associate and partner.
 
And then he lists some, maybe 3 or 4 of them. Verbs associated. That's it! Firms as an associate, and he would say as a corporate associate; he would say corporate associate and partner, so, if this works for him. Okay. Okay. Like someone who's worked in 17 to 20 firms in the past 25 years.
 
And it is raging out of control, meaning he can certainly put on a game-face problem. So, if this works for him, it will work for you. And this is all he does. He can move between firms to get new jobs all the time because of this particular skill. And he just does this.
 
He's just an associate. He will have an associate and a partner. That's a little different, and I may have done this resume for him. I think the reason he's got this is because I told him to do this, and it just keeps working over and over again as he bounces between firms.
 
So please remember this. Please, if you get anything out of this and you've had many jobs today, I'd appreciate it. This is the most critical possible piece of things you can get right now because many people have had a lot of jobs. If you have a lot of jobs, what does it look like? We talked about this earlier.
 
If you've had a lot of jobs, what it looks like to people is what it looks like. You will not do the job long-term, and you can't be managed. So these are the last things in the world you want to, what you want people to think. If you're going to do the job short-term, then why should they hire you?
 
You're just someone who needs to do the job long-term and walks into a law firm. It makes a good impression, maybe in the first few months or weeks. And then all of a sudden, for whatever reason, gets restless and starts looking around, and we'll end up at another firm, and we'll leave people pissed.
 
They will leave problems in their wake. They will have all sorts of problems. Now, what's interesting about this particular attorney? And I wouldn't say I like to go into so much detail, but what this particular person does now. Because he's worked so many law firms, the only firms that he gets stuck with are because he's worked.
 
Again, I will go back to the resume reviews, but because he has worked at so many law firms, the only law firms everyone knows in town, and so many law firms, and everyone knows him, the only firms he's getting are small.
 
Offices of national law firms, meaning when I say small, this is where he's at now, five attorneys, something, firms and in the city he lives. Upstarts and all sorts of those are the only people. They are hiring him at this point, which makes sense because nobody knows him, but he's still getting into this large law firm.
 
So, I just want everyone to understand the power of this because this is what you need to do on your resume if you have many jobs. This is the number one piece of advice that I think everyone should follow. If this person can get all of these jobs with all of his problems with all the places he's worked at and continually get jobs, so can you.
 
Okay. So that's the most significant piece of advice I can give you. Now, I'm wondering if this is a particular thing. It is a law school. Okay, so this is my resume. Okay, so let's talk about this person. This person, let me see here. Cornell Law School. Okay, this is different from the same person. I am still determining what this is and where it came from. Maybe these are additional publications.
 
I think these are. So this is just the stuff. Just get rid of it. So that's if this person went to Cornell Law School or went to Yale, that would be great. This is interesting. Teach competitive gymnastics and cheerleading to children. So this is the same person. This could be fun.
 
It could just be interest or something. So people like that kind of stuff when it's unusual. So, if you have some other type of experience. Interest or something. That's fun. But dropping all these names of schools and things is something other than what people will be interested in.
 
You're talking about criminal law. Come on, This has nothing to do with what type of work you do right now. Okay, this person went to whatever the school is. I like this. I think that's, and what I'm talking about is a lot of these young resumes. They are much better than the senior resumes.
 
So, this person graduated in May of 2022, and they got admitted in July. I need help understanding those dates. But you do not graduate if you started work as An associate, by definition, is an attorney. So let's talk a little bit about that. So, if you're an associate, people will put law clerks on their resumes.
 
And law clerk means, in most cases, that you still need to pass the bar and be a law clerk. Meaning that a law clerk still needs to pass the bar. So if you are working if you are working as an associate, an associate, or an attorney or an attorney, then, that means that you passed the bar, right? You don't have to worry about that. You just know that's what it is.
 
So you don't have to tell people at the top of your resume that you passed the bar. Sometimes, people will list the date if they're lost or locked with their law school to show people that they passed the first attempt.
 
But here's the problem. So the problem is that passing the bar is the most basic. Of all the requirements to be an attorney. Why would you ensure that you put this minimum, like a barrier to being an attorney, at the top of your resume? So people will often do this. You don't see resumes from people who went to Harvard and Yale and Michigan and these great schools, telling people that they passed the bar.
 
The only people that do it maybe are, if you went to a law school with a low pass rate, you're very proud of that. But all that's showing is you just met the minimum requirements to be an attorney. You're an attorney. So don't put that. Come on. And especially at the top of your resume, if you put it at the top of it, and I remember this resume is a person who got a job at a pretty awesome firm.
 
So this is an excellent firm down here, but for whatever reason, they want to emphasize the bar. I want to tell you to keep that at the top of your resume. You don't even need to put it if you're working as any type of attorney in a state. Now, if this person was admitted and if they're working in New York and they're also admitted to Jersey, that's okay.
 
Sometimes, in weird states like Delaware, that's very hard, or in California, you can list that sometimes, but you need to be careful about just listing the fact that you passed the bar. Please don't worry that you got admitted to a federal district court. No one, just these are basic things.
 
Okay, so here's what I like. I like the person that got a full tuition academic scholarship. Many times, when people get those, it's widespread that they got into a much better law school than this, but they took that. Here are some other problems. Other problems with this resume.
 
Are you the person talking about all of this pro bono stuff? So pro bono, working for free, working not for companies. That means shows. You have other priorities. This may be something that you may think is important. And I'm not; I don't want to talk about what political party I'm part of because I'm not; I have nothing to do with it.
 
But when you start doing stuff like this, you're immediately showing, and I'm not saying that I don't approve this or you've been this way, but you're immediately showing. You are probably pretty liberal and have other priorities. You may not appreciate working for law firms that represent anyone with money and take their sides if they're wrong or good; whatever may not work.
 
Now, I'm not telling you this because I think it isn't good. Most school professors. Whether 90% of them or 99, professors are very liberal. You can promote these sorts of values, but these are not the sorts of values. Law firm partners that successful associates have in law firms.
 
It would help if you looked like a law firm attorney. Here, you're very excited that you're committed to justice. That's fine, but... And again, saying you're on the dean's list, is that the permanent dean's list? Were you on the dean's list one semester?
 
Who cares? If you're a dean scholar, that sounds much better than saying you're on the dean's list. Some schools will let you talk about being on the dean's list as much as possible, one semester out of six or whatever it is that you go to. So these activities are acceptable.
 
I am still determining what the legal innovation semi-finalist is. You do not need to say that you were the semi-finalist in something. You only say it if you win. That's all. If you won, were the finalists, or were the first place you live set? The HOFSA Trial Advocacy Association, you want to list something other than that.
 
So that's something that you may or may not want to list. So, I would probably take it off. The problem with associations is that they are something where you just show up. You just show up, and you're a member. Law firms know this. Why, who cares, right?
 
And you are a member. Now, you may want to list that if you, for some reason, think that you're trying to be a litigator. But this is not the case with this person. This person is a corporate attorney, or we'll talk about that in a minute, real estate attorney.
 
So this stuff, anything that signals something different than what you're doing, is perfectly unacceptable and doesn't belong there. People need to look at your resume and think that you're doing the, the, they're thinking that you're you look like someone that wants to do that practice here.
 
Now, indeed, you can list these different associations. If you want to, I'm not telling people one way or another to do it, but sometimes people will list the Muslim students association, these different associations now. This particular association, I think people will actually, is something that will help you, but sometimes people will list stuff like Muslim Jewish people that hate each other, right?
 
So Muslim. Now, maybe not in the United States, but maybe not, but long standing conflicts between people. Conflict. You just want to be careful sometimes about listing things. Associations. Signal that sometimes you're on one side or the other.
 
Just after this recent Israel thing, there are all these articles about people on the side of the Palestinians. And there was just a big thing at Harvard where somebody did something that was for the Muslims. They're being condemned, and Harvard's for not saying anything.
 
So you just have to be very careful sometimes about signaling things. Now, this particular association, I think, is a positive thing to list, but sometimes it may not be. You have to decide what you want to say on your resume and what you want to do. Get credit for. So this person is an excellent full tuition scholarship, dean scholar, like that's it.
 
But you don't want to; no one knows what gold level means. No one knows what the Commission's commitment to justice scholarship means. Okay. So here we go. Now we're talking about this person doing all of these different things.
 
I, you don't need to say Bachelor of Arts. You say BA. So I just want everyone, BA. You can just say JD. You don't have to say Juris Doctorate and all these things. So people will put that down. You can if you want, but it's the degree you got, so you could just say, you graduated at 22 sometimes, but you can do whatever you want.
 
So this double major is economics. Okay. So what I would do here is actually because this person is trying to get a job. This is very interesting. So, this person is trying to get a position. And probably doing something to do with working as a real estate attorney.
 
So what's interesting about this? If I were them, they would be correct, but I would probably list economics first and then the mind, and then also significant in PPL. People don't need that. That thing will only be you; you only put an abbreviation in parentheses like that.
 
Suppose you'll let if you list it somewhere else, so that's just correct. So you only put an abbreviation or something if you're going to listen somewhere else. And then, I would put economics 1st because this is about money and things you're doing in the law firm.
 
So I would put that 1st, and then I like urban planning because urban planning is related to real estate. So you have to think you need to give people the scent of what you want to do. So, I wouldn't say double major. I would say something like you've got to double the, I don't know, but you just, you don't want to do that.
 
Here's another problem. Listing that you were on the Dean's List for a few semesters will not help you. Why would you list out of eight potential semesters? Or I went to a school with three semesters per year, which makes it 12, but why would you list the dean's list only two out of eight semesters?
 
If so, how did this person get a full academic merit scholarship? That doesn't make any sense. It would help to make yourself look strong, like you can't have people reach conclusions. Like, why did this person get a full academic scholarship if they were only on the dean's list twice? Public relations chair, pre-law society, all these things, no one cares.
 
This is... Bridging a volunteer diversity and inclusion team, you can list the stuff, but again, you are again, and I want everyone to understand this. If you put things on your resume that show you're on the side, and I don't, I've written a book about diversity. I believe it. I'm not against diversity.
 
I've written an entire book. The only person ever to write a book about diversity law firms, which is a pro-diversity book. But if I were writing my resume, I probably wouldn't put that on there because I'm not saying there's anything wrong with diversity.
 
All I'm saying is you want to say you want to signal every resume that you're interested in the type of work. That you're applying for, and that's it, and that you're, in the type of work. The big thing that I want to talk about that we spoke about earlier is that it can be managed.
 
Will you do the job long term? And if you're putting things up on your resume, let me show you here. I will cut and paste these things again because this is extremely important, especially for young law students or people in their careers. Let's talk about this.
 
And this is, by the way, another essential thing, and it's essential for young law students. I see resumes. All day, every day, people who went to Columbia Law School, Harvard, and all these great law schools talk about how interested they are in pro bono.
 
They started applying for jobs, and maybe they worked at a big firm when they left school. Still, no one's hiring them anymore, like they can't get jobs, and I'm just making the conclusion, which is reasonable, that it's because Of listing all these things because the same thing does not happen with people that don't miss this stuff.
 
So just think about that. Anything you write in your resume, I just want you to understand that I will talk about that. You might be unable to manage because you want to do something else. Anything that's going to talk about. If you're unlikely to stay because you have other interests, anything that's going to talk about, do we like you?
 
If you I, and I'm, again, I had a guy's resume. This is after 9/11, and he was in New York, and he had gone to some great law school like Cornell or something. And I don't know, he did exceptionally well there and graduated and worked at a big law firm for a couple of years and then wanted a job, and he had stuff about all this again.
 
I'm not. This is not where I'm coming from. I don't condone this. I'm not on the side of this. I'm just telling you the way it is. He had all this stuff about this Muslim Law Students Association and all these different things, and he didn't get a single interview. Maybe it's because people at that time were prejudiced against it.
 
So you have to be very careful. So what was that? Do we like you? I don't know why they weren't doing it. But other people similar to him are getting interviews, so you have to do just anything you put on your resume that makes it look like you can't be managed. People are going to question.
 
So all this stuff. I just want to be clear. This is saying that this person was doing this to a person who graduated in 2014. Is that possible? Okay, so this sort of thing, saying you're a pro bono scholar for three months, doesn't help. Take it off. Saying you're a law fellow doesn't help.
 
Take it off. This stuff is reviewed and organized in voluminous documents. Come on, like this person again, everywhere as a mate does this, but this is one reason that I'm showing this person standing reviewed and organized documents and did all these things that have nothing to do with being a real estate attorney.
 
No, you don't put it on their development clinic legal intern. I think I might have the wrong date. That person graduated from law school but worked with a partner to draft agreements. No, no, you don't need to say that you were a that you don't need to say that you were a paralegal if, and especially I saw another resident, especially if you graduate in, oh, 2022.
 
No, you might want to say you were a paralegal between 2019. That's actually good. So this is. Not consistent with being a working one at work in a law firm. But this stuff has nothing to do with it. So this stuff comes off. You just got to remove this, and this is definitely coming off.
 
This is okay. But don't say you were doing paralegal work that was inconsistent with being an associate. You don't need to say that. The study of professional ethics, do you know how unethical some law firms are? Like the things you have to do, you have to do things that many people would think are unethical, meaning taking the side of people who have done wrong things.
 
So I like this. I like all this stuff. Haitian Creole is interesting, so I would probably leave that on. I don't know what you need to say in a conversation. There's nothing that helps you. I don't think that someone inside a law firm is suddenly going to ask you to start writing Haitian Creole.
 
That's interesting. And then running, this is great. Look at this. Care, eh? Okay? Here, okay, period. So this is another thing that's important too, is when you have a resume, and you're using periods inconsistently, people pick up on that. This resume is actually pretty good. It's not doing that, but the Diversity and Inclusion team.
 
Okay. This is enough for this resume. I hope everyone got a lot out of that. Okay, this person puts an objective at the top of the resume. So, let's see how much experience this person has. This is very common. I wouldn't say I like reviewing so many in-house positions because I don't know, it may not help people as much as it could, but this particular resume, this person is, let's see here.
 
This is their objective. No one cares about your objective. Come on. No one cares. No one cares that your certification is pending. None of this stuff. These, these, these objectives and things, anything that you do at the top of your resume that's different from experience should come off.
 
All these things you don't need to say senior, strategic, whatever this is, marketing and advertising and IP, and then suddenly you go into all this other stuff. Now, this is very interesting. You don't call yourself a subject matter expert. No.
 
No, you don't. You're not even; you don't even have this privacy certification. Why would you do that? So, I'll counsel an in-house contract counsel. These you're either one or the other. This doesn't make any sense. And then this person sounds like they do. This is a pretty exciting resume.
 
And they are doing some things that make them fairly, could make them possibly quite marketable, but they're doing many things that they couldn't. So this person, by the way, wants to be private; I don't know why I took that off privacy-related. Attorney, and there is a demand if anybody wants to do this.
 
I don't think it's there anymore, but it was for a long time when companies were having data breaches. And it's not as much anymore. But, it's not it's not as popular anymore, but there were excellent in-house jobs.
 
People were getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, even more than they were making the law firms do that. I'm going to get a little into this, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense having all this stuff in there. You want to avoid seeing a confidential BPO, which is wild.
 
You don't say something's confidential on your resume, and like, you show up, and I can't talk about it. It's just no. This particular person needs just to mellow this out and just say a couple of lines about what they're trying to do with this particular type of Law, that's it.
 
And a couple of lines. It's just no. All of these things, when people start listing these things, sometimes what happens, and this is what I hope doesn't happen to anyone on this call, is people go to, sometimes they get laid off, or sometimes they're not getting positions, and there's something wrong with their resume.
 
And so they go to these resume rewriting companies whose job, by the way, is to draw out all your experience. Help you put it down and make you feel good. That's pretty much what they do. And I'm not criticizing that and saying that's the wrong thing, but they will charge you, in some cases, thousands of dollars for this exercise.
 
Listing all these things on a resume and listing these objectives does not help you. People have been doing this with their resumes. Decades. And this is what these companies do. I watched my mom do it. She used to work for a position with the state of Michigan and went to one of these people, and she got laid off and did that.
 
She worked for the state for 20-plus years and then got laid off or took a buyout and went and got a resume. And this is precisely what her resume looked like. This is what happens. It doesn't help your law firms. If you want to get a job with them, don't care. So this experience, if you're doing a job unrelated to a title, that's not related to practicing law.
 
Probably what you want to do is just say you were in-house counsel, but that's all you need. You don't need an attorney, that's it. If you start saying five different titles, people need clarification; someone that's running some kind of resume company or outsourcing company, if this business or the company that's doing that needs to understand that, so this doesn't help this.
 
Again, this is all related. But you want to make this as well related to this, all this, these bullets and things, client names, no one cares. You are not crucial because you worked on a different client that no one cares about. Like you're just, you're doing what you should be doing.
 
And you can just say I was the in-house. Council or for privacy and payment-related issues or whatever. That's it. Here we go. It's the same thing. Senior manager sourcing, you're an attorney doing the same work. You show that you're doing technology agreements.
 
That's what this person does. They do technology agreements and now privacy. That's all you talk about. You don't talk about the facts. Why in the world would you point out that you're a contractor? You don't need to say that. No one will call this company that you worked at over a decade ago and ask them if you were a contract or a corporate counsel.
 
You don't even need to say that. Everything should say attorney, or you can say in-house counsel if you want, but you're an attorney. You don't need to; you don't need to draw people away to weird titles and other stuff. Now, this person is somehow a vice president of a commodity company.
 
I know you are just an attorney again. That's it, attorney. Like you don't, all these titles are just. Educate and develop contract templates. If you developed contract templates 12 years ago, again, no one cares. No one cares about these companies. No one. It's just you talk about what you do.
 
You have a few lines that summarize what your practice area does. There, on BCG, you can go and search different practice areas. There's a list of practice areas on BCG. And you just make yourself whatever you choose if you can, and this goes for everyone. So choose one practice area, choose one practice area, if you can, and write a few lines about that, about what you do, and guess what I'm going to tell you to do again.
 
Then, when you ask Cat GBP to rewrite it. Write it five times or whatever it is; write it for each job. So again, this is going to help you tremendously. This is another thing that if you do this you will get more jobs and you will be a superstar. But if you don't do this, I would tell you if it weren't chat, you'd be catered to decide on your own.
 
But if you don't do this, you're going to be in trouble because you're just basically all over the map. No one can put you in a box. Your resume needs to be easier to read. Do you honestly think you would read, sit down, and read all these things? Would you think an employer will go through and read all of these bullet points?
 
What they're getting hundreds of, hundreds of resumes sometimes for a job like they need more time. They don't want to. They just want to look at your resume and say, does this look like that type of a turn? That's it. That's all they're looking for. They don't need it. No, your clients don't need to know that you worked on online content and wifi, none of this stuff.
 
So I am trying to help this person, and I'm trying to help everyone on this call that is doing this because it's most people, when you get out of school, and you've been out a few years. This is what happens. This is what happens when these sorts of corrections are made to a young attorney; this person will have no problem.
 
They worked at a good firm doing this sort of thing. Now, it's okay. But you don't complete risk assessments and ensure compliance with applicable laws and regulations. This is something, again, every attorney does. So please eliminate statements about what every attorney does.
Eliminate statements on your resume of stuff every attorney does.
 
Completely crazy. Don't make people read a bunch of crap. Don't go. So here's what happens, by the way. So, a law firm or a company, so that everyone can understand what's going on here. No, it doesn't always happen. That's where: don't go to a resume, don't write your resume, destroy your resume.
So here's what happens. People graduate from... Our people go to these a lot of times, I'm sorry, but it's in house. This looks more like this is that person working for a law firm, which is good. So maybe their people will get laid off, or the firm company will fire them because they may not have money to pay them.
 
Maybe the person needs to do better work. Maybe they're just doing some giant downsizing. Maybe a new general counsel is coming in, and it doesn't matter, but they'll send them, too. Outplacement saying, Hey, don't worry, we'll try to find you a job. The resume company destroys the resume every time I see it every day.
 
So all this stuff comes out, same thing here. You're an attorney. You talk about whatever. Whatever the person's doing there, you don't need to say your contract attorney; people get confused. Think about what you think. Contracts attorney, vice president corporate counsel, enterprise strategic category, manager, senior manager.
 
Attorney. Or no, first managing counsel strategy. So you just have to make everything very simple for the reader. Now, this just keeps going on. I don't know. Maybe this person, I don't know what this is, but no. No. So you can certainly write. Things that are related. But if you're an attorney, you don't need to say you're admitted to this.
 
You can use Spanish now. This particular person is an ordained minister. So you're telling people that you're a Christian, which you're welcome to do. Maybe it's not Christian. I am still determining what it is. But again, all the signaling of religions, of what side of things you're on. I don't know; I don't think there's a lot of hatred and stuff of Christians.
 
But if you're an ordained minister, what does that mean? Is that something that's going to interfere? With you. Is that going to make you unwilling to do things if there's a slight bit of ethics? I don't know. Women in technology notary. That's something that a secretary does.
 
You're welcome to the Georgia Bar Association, Massachusetts. Okay, so you could say you're admitted to those two bars. I like that. I have no problem with that. I don't think that you're a notary. It might work if you want to work in a small law firm that doesn't have a notary, but you would just say this would be right here.
 
You would put this under admitted. So you would just say admissions. And this is okay. Being admitted to more than one bar could be helpful. So you would say admissions, and then you go here, and you just go Massachusetts, Georgia. You don't say Bar Association, you say Georgia. Massachusetts. Remember, everybody likes to see things that are shorter and not is, and not as much.
 
The International Association, the Future GC? I thought you were a GC. Institute of Supply Management. Okay. So this is related to what you're trying to do. So that's okay. Typically, I wouldn't say I like that Association, but there's an extra common here. So that's not good.
 
So, I'm going to take off this comma. I want everyone to see this. And maybe I did that, but I don't think I did. But these sorts of errors will screw you up. So you need to; everything needs to be proved. You need the Association of Corporate Counsel. That's just an association. You can just join that online.
 
No one cares. Your Georgia association of women lawyers. That's just an association. Anyone could join that. Now, the Institute of Supply Management, I actually because this person, if they're trying to get a job, is basically saying that they do all of these different things related to, see what, you can see on this resume, I just want to do a couple of things.
 
So, there are a lot of Things that are consistent with working in SAS and doing agreements related to that. So, a few lines about that: I am trying to figure out how to ensure everything is consistent here because this is a pretty decent resume for maybe a credit card company.
 
I don't know. But so just, these sorts of things again, you don't need to say you don't need to see you to due diligence, all this stuff. So this stuff should be fixed. And then, but other than that, once you do this stuff, sourcing American Bar Association, no, no one needs to list that they're a member of the American Bar Association on their resume.
 
No one needs to list that they're a member of the Association of Men or Women Lawyers, but everything related. To this particular thing, the person trying to do it will have a good resume. But again, you want to refrain from giving people a reason to believe you're interested in something else. I'm just going to take a quick break for a minute and grab a soda, and then I will be back.
 
I would just basically say you got a Bachelor of Arts, and you don't have to say what it was in you don't have to say anything. Same thing with the GPA. It's the same if you got it; no one knows what the Jogus is. Now, this is interesting. The fact that the person was a cheerleader is fun.
So that's interesting. People are going to like that. That's an exciting activity that a lot of people don't have. Pre-law institute, no. Study abroad, no. No one cares. If you say you studied abroad, people are going to be jealous. So I saw a funny thing last night. There's this. What's your name?
I'm just blanking out. I don't know why, but there was this thing where the vice president said she had yet to go to Europe. This was in a recent interview when she was talking about how we've been to the wall or something. But she people, people, if you're taking these fun trips, you can talk about something other than that on your resume.
 
There's no reason for that. No reason. You don't have to tell people your work experience is relevant. No one cares. They just say experience. Then, a legal intern. I am still determining what this place is. It looks to me like this person is working on the trademark team. That's all you need.
 
You don't need to say much more than that. So this person, January 23 to May of 2020. This person graduated in 2020. Okay. All I think is that's okay. We'll block the clerk. Or you can just say clerk or something. That's probably okay. You may say, legal intern. I'd say, law clerk. It's probably better. If you don't, no one will get mad about your title.
 
And just don't call yourself a law clerk. So this is, by the way, this goes for everyone. No one is going to check up on your exact titles. This person is applying for a job. No one will call up and say, Hey, were they an intern or a law clerk? And then.
 
Then that's it. That's it. And working five months and something is not that important. Okay. So this law clerk was excited about these short dates, by the way. I don't know. I don't know that you want to see if this person graduated in 2023. That means they started law school in 2018. So they did something before that.
 
I just, you don't need to talk about all these experiences you had. Again, this Harvard Law School resume we discussed here goes into only some of them; you don't need to; it should be self-explanatory. So, you were a law clerk during law school. That's fine. You were a law clerk. Same thing.
 
This is a law clerk. You don't call yourself an extern law clerk. That's it. You don't call yourself an intern. These are a lot of short jobs. I don't know why they're all short, but they are all very short. And here, okay, this is good. These dates make sense.
 
They're all connected. The same thing, intern, call it law clerk, so all that, all these changes, legal incubator. So I okay, this person got, so this person did this, they're a program director for the National Student Leadership Conference. This is interesting. This is this. I would not usually tell someone to leave this there, but this is interesting.
 
So this person, I would say it's okay for many of the stuff too, if you shorten it, it's going to be much better to use chat GBT or something. But a lot of these, the problem with a lot of this stuff, and I just this is consistent, like this job. And a lot of these are just concise. Short things.
 
So you may want to do the trick that I told you about with the drunk attorney of just summarizing all this; I was an intern between these companies. I concentrated on IP-related trademark law and that sort of thing. I do want to say, by the way, one problem with some of this is this focus.
So, if you are, if you are too focused in a practice area where there's only a few jobs, that may hurt you. That may hurt you. What do I mean by that? Trademark law is a is a, there are only a few jobs in trading, not many.
 
So that means if you try to do trademark law when there are few jobs, that's probably not your best move, right? Trying to do trademark law when there are few jobs and putting yourself in a box like that early may make or may not make sense.
 
You may want to use that when applying for trademark jobs. Trademark law firms, but if you're doing trademark, you might be better off saying you're doing intellectual property. And then talk a little bit about different things. But I wanted to bring up one other problem that many young attorneys make.
 
So young attorneys make this mistake. They will often try to go into IP. This is just for everyone to call what you're trying to do without exactly or without a science. So it's okay for trademark, but it's not okay for any forms of IP litigation for just a bunch of different stuff. It has nothing to do with that. So you, if you're trying to go into IP and don't have anything related to that. So, psychology and marketing have absolutely nothing to do with IP. Science does.
 
So the reason is I'll just tell you. Non Tech science people have yet to be admitted. I'm not trying to go into much detail here, but I'm not getting admitted to the patent bar. So that and companies. And lawyers expect that in most forms of life. So, just litigation, everything. That's just how it is.
 
So it's just something to think about. Okay, so this resume, I would just say there's a lot of stuff here that needs to be cleaned up. These affiliations are meaningless. So you remove those. The person's interested in IP this coursework. No one cares. This Harvard attorney that we talked about up here is going to list only some of their courses.
 
No one cares. It's not relevant. It just makes them look weak like they're; why do you put that up there? Intermediate Spanish? No, no one cares. These could be more exciting interests. No one cares. Most attorneys are too busy trying to get good grades. So you don't put it in intermediate, that makes you look weak.
 
You travel to 30 countries that make people feel jealous. So I'm jealous. I have been traveling for business my entire career. And I have been to maybe five countries. So do not list stuff that makes you look rich. I wonder if it's wealthy or makes people envious. You would not list. You play polo. You would not list. You just have to be very careful. So this is fine. Photography, snowboarding, Miami Heat, dolphins. That's great. But other than that, you don't need to say much.
 
Okay, next resume, again, remember short language so you say experience, you eliminate, come on, a plethora of experience. Honestly, the problem with all this stuff is it doesn't do what you expect; just let's put this up here. Would you expect to see this on this resume?
 
Look how ridiculous that was. Do you think any attorney is going to do that? Again, I'm not criticizing this person, but several fast-paced organizations in the public eye; this sounds again like something written by someone else, and I don't even know what that objective is.
It, again, looks at this.
 
Seeking new opportunities. That has nothing to do. I want to work at a, I want to work as a software services attorney, but seeking new opportunities. This, I'm sorry, guys and girls, but this is ridiculous. You just don't do it. So let's go down.
 
Okay. So this resume, by the way, is very similar. To the ones we've looked at before. So I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this one. But I'm going to, I'm going to; I did want to review this because of a couple of different things. So, saying you're a staff attorney, you just say attorney; you don't have to say staff.
 
Okay? You never highlight that you're remote. People don't like that. People, if you're remote, that means you will want to continue working remotely. So this person, by the way, let's look at when they got out in 2001. Okay, look at this. Microsoft Office, Access, PowerPoint, Teams, and Word. So this person has been practicing for 22 years and wants us to know that they know how to use Microsoft Word.
 
They know how to use Google Drive, email, and voice, and they know how to use voicemail. Probably like Google. Hey, Google, I don't know. They know how to use LexisNexis. Sorry, but I knew how to use LexisWestless in Westlaw in my early 20s. Three years into law school. Now, what's interesting about me is that I'm actively licensed to practice law.
 
If this person's been working as an attorney anywhere, Then obviously, they're licensed to practice law. So it's the same thing here. Like this person is. It is a wow. So they worked for a federal clerkship, which is pretty awesome. So this is very impressive.
 
So I will leave that there, but you don't need to say what you did. You just, and maybe you just need to say that you were doing that. So this particular person has had quite a few jobs. No, I don't understand why they insisted on a turn in general. Now they're doing document review and contract attorney. Still, what this person does, so everyone understands, is their job right now is essentially doing document, e-discovery.
 
So that's what this person's doing. They are doing e-discovery. So, instead of confusing the reader with this, they should just say that they've been making e-discovery for the past for most of their career. They will only get a job based on some of this other stuff. No one's going to hire them.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm not trying to be rude, but that's just the facts. No, one will hire someone who's worked as a contract attorney now doing that. Everything here, the city of doing this and doing this. So, just say you're an e-discovery attorney. That's all people want to know. They don't care.
 
So these are the jobs you're set up for. Now you could, you could work in a big law firm as a discovery attorney. You could do all sorts of things, but only some people will hire this person if all this stuff that has nothing to do with it is consistent. It needs to be more consistent.
 
And so you just basically talk about how you're a discovery attorney. If you do this, by the way, you will get jobs at law firms. You will get jobs with companies that work with contract attorneys or staff attorneys. You will get all sorts of jobs, and you can apply to big and small firms, but it will take a lot of work if you do anything else.
 
So that's a lesson of this, and I will try to move through these because I wanted to get her husband's resume. Okay. So this is an associate. They've been, they worked for the government again. They worked for the government. They worked. Is this the same resume? Okay. So this is a pity.
 
Let me just make sure. Okay. May I split this one? Okay. So I went ahead, but I'm behind. So, this is the e-discovery attorney. This particular resume, let's see here. Legal research for the plaintiff's complex litigation firm. Then, all of these other jobs. Is this the same resume? Oh, I'm sorry.
 
The resume just keeps going. That's the problem. Okay. Again, everything needs to be summarized. You start with the district court, then talk about all of these document-related jobs you've done, and that's it. Juris Doctorate 2 Cali election, and cyber, cyberspace law in a seminar.
 
No one cares about that. No one cares that you volunteered. When you were there, no one cared that it was in social science, which many people think is a blow-off, so you don't say anything. No one cares about the licenses. That's that. Here's another resume. A lot of in-house resumes here.
 
I'm not going to spend any time on this one because I think we've already gone into a lot of detail, but it's all the same stuff. This is from 1994 to 2001. This is optional for most of the same things, and I would say if this person wants to review the resume based on everything I've said, that would be helpful. from 2004 to 2004, they owned an insurance agency or something.
 
That's okay. But yeah, this, come on, I'm just saying, again, come back and you look at these resumes. Like up here. And you're certainly not going to say this. Come on, does that matter? Best-in-class legal advice and deliverables. None of this stuff works. All comes off, and then you just, you don't want to do it. That's that. So let's see.
 
Summary. Highly motivated. Same thing. Boom. Just kick it all off. And a lot of these, I wonder why I'm selecting so many in-house. But there's a reason for this, and I'll come back. But yeah, this is all the same stuff that we've talked about with other in-house resumes. So that's the problem.
 
I would probably remove it. What I would probably do with this particular resume is, again, all the stuff you have to take off. It doesn't help you. And it's just American Criminal Law Review unless the person wants to be that authorized in-house counsel. That is something that I guess you can get in other states if you work someplace.
 
And then the Board of Directors. Okay. Okay. That's fine. Okay. No, you don't need that. Just, all right, let's move to the next one. College law expected. Same thing. All this stuff comes off. Let me just see if there's anything worth keeping. No, the fact is on the dean's list. No one cares.
 
No one cares about any of this stuff. Faculty search committee. No, no one cares. You don't say masters in education. You just say the master or the masters or whatever. I don't know. It's college summa cum laude. You don't get an education because it looks like you don't want to be an attorney.
 
Then graduate. No no. Everyone should get the idea from these resumes of how everything works. I only know some of these, and we're doing a resume review, but I'm trying to teach everyone kind of the lessons that you need to do. This is very interesting.
 
Employers love people that are doing this sort of stuff. So this is okay. No one cares about that. No one cares about your certifications as well. So that's about that. And then this person, we changed their name. So that's not that, but I'll have that in there. But an experienced compliance attorney, all the same, applies to this type of thing.
 
So, highlighted skills, all this stuff. So, what everyone needs to do here is summarize. Their experience. Can you summarize again chat? But I'm just going to say, can you summarize this in less than 35 words? Let's see what happens.
 
This is very short, but you can see all this stuff. If you wanted to summarize it, you just put something like this. You could very quickly summarize it this way. I'm just sorry to do it this way. This would be an excellent summary, and it's, again, even that could be better, but it takes all this information that it's just way too much.
 
I see. Okay. Same thing here. All this stuff needs to be shortened. This resume right here has quite a few things that could be improved. I'm not going to get too much into that again. All this stuff needs to come up or just be shortened. Okay, this is a resume I blocked out, but I just wanted to tell everybody what's wrong with it. You don't put the bar mission on top of your resume.
 
We talked about that earlier. There's all this kind of person who did all this art and like basically their picture, put a bunch of colors, like you can see this stuff for these Xs and stuff. It's a lovely resume that is an art project, but if you spend a lot of time doing art and your resume or using weird fonts and stuff.
 
That's going to throw the reader off. So I just want to, again, I keep coming back to this, but I want everyone to see what a good resume is because a good resume doesn't need to talk about all this crap. This person is not going to put up their picture. They're not going to put their bar admission at the top.
 
They're not going to even talk about their bar. They're not; they don't need to do all this. Like it's when you do this stuff, you're just confusing the reader, and you're making it seem like. This person goes and does things well. They do everything well, and that's all you need to say.
 
But if you start making your resume into an art project with different pictures and things, that's just not going to help you. It would help if you fixed that. And again, this, all this stuff here with all this stuff just doesn't work. That comes out. So, this is another resume right here.
 
That's just pictures and many things that have nothing to do with things. And, again, you remove that, and I feel sorry for people because I think that many people do these things, and no one tells them not to do it. People are, it's just, it doesn't, it's not good.
 
So you don't need to say, by the way, I, what I liked about this, and I saw the example was pictures, but maybe it's a different resume here, but you don't need to say you got a degree in the evening division, you don't even need to say that you went to school in August through May. You can just say you graduated then.
 
You don't need to say that. Again, all of this ethnic stuff is like that. It's okay. If you want to say this stuff, it's okay. It's not; I'm not going to tell someone not to do it because I don't want people to get mad at me.
 
But I do think you need to be careful because you just, you, I think this particular association is fine, but, sometimes people will list things like the Mayflower Society for I don't know, but this means people that came over on the Mayflower, just, or, there's just things that kind of make things a little political and then than the way you may want them.
 
In the law firm, getting a job in a law firm. It is all about basically being prepared to do the work. So there are recent cases against Perkins Cooley and Morrison Forrester over their policies that are pro this and that. So you just need to be very careful. I'm not going to go too far into it.
 
Because again, I don't want to rub people the wrong way, but you need to be very careful. Listing the Christian Law Society, we saw many people do that. We've seen a lot of people today do all this stuff that involves things they may not want to, but you need to talk about; all they care about is your experience in a shortened version.
 
That has nothing to do with pictures that have nothing to do with organizations that are unrelated to being a reasonable attorney that have different types of practice areas, all that sort of stuff. So that will hurt you. There's nothing really that you need. So jurors can't, same thing, evening division.
 
No one cares about that. Let's see here. Fluent in Spanish. Okay. Co-chair, notary public. Again, additional information. All the stuff needs to come off. Again, let's return to the Harvard resume, and would you expect to see that? Let's just see what that looks like so that everyone can get a sense of this and how ridiculous it is.
 
Let's see here. Fluent in Spanish, co-chair of the Young's Law Association, Dominican Committee Chamber, City Bar Association, New Lawyers Council no. This is not the case, so you need to aim to make your resume look normal based on your achievements, not things that have nothing to do.
 
With nothing, it's wild. No. All this stuff comes off. So just, it's about your achievements. It's about rapidly summarizing things. This may be one of the last resumes we're going to review. And then, when they review others, I'm going to take a look at some of the key men.
But this is just.
 
It's the same thing, just a licensed attorney. No one cares. Licensed real estate may be excellent. To be a licensed real estate agent is fun. Like the stuff of directors. That's probably okay. Skiing, tennis. Walking my wife and four children.
 
All right. But again, people don't think it's a thing where women and men are; you're not supposed to ask them about their families. You're not supposed to ask them about personal things. Sometimes, putting that stuff up there could be better. A lot of the stuff, this particular person, I'm going to get a little bit into it.
 
But they have a lot of experience, like they've been working for a long time. So I would recommend putting only some of this information on. Okay, so we've been going for 2. 5 hours. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take a quick break, like 1 or 2 minutes.
 
When I come back, I will look at some questions that people have asked, and I will answer them for you. I'll Start with some of the most recent questions and then move to the older ones. Then, after doing that, I will also go to go out and see if any additional resumes have come in that look interesting to me, and once I do, once I look at those, then once I talk about those, then we'll, or if I look at those, if I have any additional ones, I will come back.
 
Yeah. Just give me a few minutes, and I will be back. I'm also going to spend a minute or two just reviewing the resumes that may have come in right before the call to see if any look attractive, and then we'll go from there. But there has been a lot of learning today.
 
I hope everyone can understand all this stuff. One of the things I did want to bring up, just real quickly, before we take a quick break, is that people will, and this, I hope, will apply to almost everyone on this call. So people will go, and sometimes a lot will review their resumes in response to this.
 
And what I used to do is I would do calls with those people. Sometimes, I would take everyone on a call like this, and whose resume I reviewed, and I would say I would message him. And I would say, I would like to see what you did in response to this call. I'd love to see if you reviewed your new resume, even though these are not the most people I can't place or anything because they only have a little experience.
 
I always do this, but the problem is I just want everyone to understand that people will come back when they come back. It would be the same thing. They might've taken a few lines out. They still are so committed to all these different things they've said on their resume that they don't want to live it out.
 
And I don't know how much to tell you that less is more. You need to have a focus like you can't do this, and then people will just do this their whole career. It's like they'll just do this. They will never get the kind of jobs they want. They will never advance. They will never get to where they could be because they're doing the same thing repeatedly, and they never fix this.
 
So my challenge to you, and unfortunately Doing following up with people on this stuff is so exhausting because no one, almost no one, does it. Now, some people do, but very few people do. And that's the problem. If no one's doing this, where does that leave us? So you have to actually listen.
 
What I'm saying today is to make sure that you fix this. You have to go through these rules you should have received and look at your resume and just say, am I putting stuff about not practicing law? Am I summarizing my experience? That just basically means that The people reading your resume must be dumb.
 
They must know they must not understand all this. They must be interested in the hundreds of resumes they may get for a job, which is the case with in-house jobs. They must be interested in reading bullet points and summaries of 50 pages or 50 bullet points; they must be interested in. They must be interested in people who have other interests.
 
They must be interested in generalists that do 15 different things. They must be interested in these things. What the heck is going on here? Wow, what the hell? I didn't even know you could do this. But they must be interested in people who have not achieved very much, like in their law school or there, and are proud of these activities that have nothing to do with being strong and a great lawyer.
 
Like they must be interested in that, no one is. You have to understand all this stuff. You don't compliment yourself, saying, I'm a forward-looking blah, blah, blah. No, no one cares about that. So just keep in mind all these things. I hope, like I pray, that you will do this. But again, only some people do.
 
And because you're not doing this, you will continue to have problems getting jobs and getting people to pay attention to you because you just saw this verbiage. Like you, it's an attorney's job, by the way. And make regardless of which corporate transaction it is litigation; your job is to get up and make very on-point decisions.
 
Arguments that don't have much to do with other stuff that don't confuse juries and don't confuse parties reading your contract. It doesn't confuse people like your job is to summarize things, be direct, and make a point. I've just talked. Hours about resume rules. Essentially, but this is all; this applies to hundreds of thousands of attorney resumes.
 
So I don't need to write a book. That's 1000 pages long. I can summarize everything very quickly. And not only that, I could probably just. Do avoid stuff not practicing law, avoid summaries of experience, avoid, I don't need to talk even about that. And I can write, these are long articles about this stuff, but at the same time, you don't need to read these articles.
 
Everything needs to be very easily summarized for your audience. So that's why I will come back and answer. Some of these questions, and then we will wrap this up. and I hope there are some excellent questions. That would be very helpful. I will be back in just a minute or two.
 
I will look at some additional resumes to see if there's anything else I can teach you about resumes that may have come in. But I think we've learned quite a bit today. All these changes are going to. Help you. And again, if you have questions and have yet to ask them, ask them because I'll try to answer them, and I'll find ones that are the same but hopefully will help everyone.
 
So, I will be back in just a few moments while I look at other resumes and see if there are any other lessons you can take today. All right. So, I'm going to go through questions right now. The resumes that. That became a man. I had already actually seen it before, so I hope that helps. So, let me go to the questions right now.
 
And quite a few. Okay. And this is good. It looks like there are some pretty good questions. So, could you give me one second here? Resume review. And by the way, I am going to send this to everyone that was on the call. You can go through these examples. So, anyone that registered.
 
I'm going to send these files to you, and I'm going to go through and probably review them again to make sure that there's no personal information. But I think we did a pretty good job of blocking these out. Just as a heads up, if you are able, if you want to go on the following resume review, which will be.
 
I guess next quarter, whenever that starts, so the beginning of next quarter, and you fix up your resume, I would love to see it, and if you just note that you did it again, I will compare your new resume with the old one if you could send both of them, so that would be helpful if you did that.
 
And also that, so this person, this is a good question, someone asked. This question is about the Delaware bar. So yes, it is. If you're admitted to Delaware, it's a perfect look; I can't spell. If you're admitted to Delaware, it's a perfect thing to know; there we go.
 
It's a perfect thing to list the reason why it's complicated. I don't know why, there's some sort of reason. Again, I've been doing this for. My entire career, but I should know, but there's. It's essential. There's, I think there's certain types of law that you need to be.
 
There are a lot of corporations and things that are headquartered in Delaware. There's also a lot of litigation that's filed there because the companies are in Delaware. So it's worth listing that you're in Delaware because it's something. They can help law firms get business.
 
So that's very important. Okay. These are good questions. So, I will go through every question here, and as long as they're not repetitive, I will do that. So I've heard interest in personal issues. So when you start listing things, you don't want to list things that are, that are class religion.
 
Class means economic class, religion, and ethnicity. Would you want to list at this point that you're Palestinian? I don't know if you can, but you're part of some group, are they? You're a member of the Russian armed forces when the U.S.
 
Isn't a boarding campaign; you can; if you want countries out of favor, you're welcome to do that. But if you do that. That's going only to help you sometimes. So it would help if you were careful, very careful. So just, you don't list things that have to do with that. Listing hobbies can be interesting.
 
So you could say model cars, or you could say go-kart racing. It's just fun stuff that cooking. You can list stuff like that. These are just fun things, almost like things you would list on a dating site or something. They're just fascinating.
 
You can do that, but if you do other types of things, I think you need to be very careful. So personal interests or hobbies, class-based religion, ethnic countries out of favor interests that are politicizing one way or another. So politicizing means politicizing means very liberal, or liberal, I don't know, liberal, conservative, I don't know.
 
So you just want to again, I just want to point out to everyone that it wasn't like this, by the way, when I was younger and trying to look for legal jobs, but at this point, there's a, there's a class, there's wars in the country. People are there's wars between people of different economic classes.
 
Like you have the Midwest or. The Middle States are for Trump, and the Coast is all for Biden. It's just you have all these different things going on. Texas is one way, and Florida is another. So the more you paint yourself into a corner with these things, and you take sides, That will hurt you.
 
I have relatives in Ohio who drive down the street during, and they're not in big cities in Ohio; they're outside, but you drive down the road, and everybody's got a Trump sign in front of our dead. And so you just, in the same that you're, you're, it just doesn't work.
 
So you, you can't. You can't take sides in any of this stuff. Your resume, you're an attorney, like your job is to represent people that are regardless of their political leanings or anything. So if you get too far into that in your resume and you take sides, people aren't going to like that.
 
So you just need to be very careful. Again, you don't; the country is at war like you have very liberal people with policies. You have very conservative people policies, you have poor people that are raiding stores, and just, you have all this stuff going on.
 
If you decide you want to be on the part of, the side of one of those, you're welcome to, but it's going to screw you up, so you just don't put anything, you don't take sides, you just, You're an attorney no one cares now if you want to run for office or something later You can do that.
 
But other than that, you need to be very Can't do it Next question. What are your thoughts on using innovative formats for design elements on our resumes to stand out from the crowd? Do you have any examples of this being particularly effective, or can you show us? No, so there you cannot. There needs to be a design for your resume.
 
So, no design is necessary. And as a matter of fact, it is not something you should do. If you want to submit a brief to a court, you don't put flowers and pictures, and no, you, a brief to a court is just very direct. A contract is straightforward.
 
A business transaction document is straightforward, so if you want to do things that attorneys don't do when they're practicing. To stand out as someone who's not an attorney who's frankly trying to get attention and draw you away from average to poor qualifications most of the time, meaning I'm not saying someone who's doing this, then knock yourself out.
 
But it does not work. It does not work because this is just different from what attorneys do. This is the first time I've seen a resume of someone who went to an Ivy League law school and practiced at a big firm doing something where they started using innovative formats or design elements.
 
Never seen it. Now, maybe someone's done it somewhere along the way, but the only time I see this is when someone needs to have suitable, better qualifications and have done better in law school, then they do it.
 
So let me just explain to you. It doesn't matter where you went to law school. It doesn't matter what your experience is. You could say. I went to I don't know. I don't even, I'm not trying to bring up that, schools that don't have good reputations. So, let's just say you went to an evil, fourth-tier law school.
 
And you don't need to put different formats and colors, and it's just going to look ridiculous, you because you don't, there's no reason to do that. That's not how attorneys work. No one does that. So you just can't do it. You do not have to do it. I don't know what else to say, but.
 
It's just, it's ridiculous. No one, this is not something that works. It's going to set you, it's going to set you back. It will look like you need to learn what being an attorney is. You just don't do it. I don't know what else to say. Yeah, so this is a good question. Right here. And I appreciate all the questions people are asking.
 
This is helping a lot of people when you ask them. So these are great questions. And if anybody's got more questions that keep being this good, I'll keep staying here all day if I need to. But what would you give young attorneys? They practice in multiple areas but have finally decided on the sector they want to practice, even though that sector is one where the young attorney has had the least experience.
 
Do you advise focusing? Okay, so when you're a young attorney, no one cares if you've got different types of experience, but again, resumes. Resume should have the scent, should have the scent of, should have the scent that you're interested in something. Let me explain to you how that works.
 
So, someone gives an example, and that helps. An example would be the teacher that went, that teacher that used, that taught for five years, or ten years, or whatever, taught for five years, goes to law school, majored in education, or got a major in education in college. Okay, so this person, and this person, is a great candidate.
 
Is working in education law suitable? So this is what happens to people like that. They get a job in education law. So that's pretty good. Or let's take, or maybe they, some sort of school law where they're suing schools for special accommodations, whatever. But these people get jobs if they figure out how to look that way.
 
So then they may, if they, other types of experience, they would just basically, that's what they want to do. They would say, I'm focused. I have this, just like we discussed with Napoleon Hill stuff; they would say all that. So they would look focused. I see many resumes of people who were nurses for three or five years.
 
Nursing and studied nursing in college. I don't know, and something like that. So these people, these people, will get this person's education, law, education. So, all I'm saying here is that I'm not going to firms that are in an education-related position. So I'm not trying to say that you need to do this, but if you are in a position like this, how do you get a job in health care law, so these people, by the way, Get great jobs?
 
It only matters a few times where they went to law school. They focus their effort on these different types of things. So when I was a young attorney and first became a recruiter, I would see. These people, I would go and interview.
 
I remember interviewing with this law firm in Detroit; I think it was called Hahnemann Miller. I was interviewing with someone who did healthcare law. And she'd gone to Wayne State, and there was nothing special about her background, but she'd had something to do, worked in a hospital or something, and One new healthcare law.
 
I got a job at this top firm in Detroit, which, back then, was an excellent firm. I think it still is a fantastic firm. And I remember the head of recruiting. Dave Fulton is now the head of the firm, but anyway, the point is that your resume needs to look like there's some reason for your interest in that practice area.
 
And so this is what these people do. And what I'm saying is then I would, then I got out, and I would start seeing these people that went to these. It could be a better law school, as you didn't do that. Working in these giant firms that made out of nothing special about their academics.
 
And so these people, the scent of their resume, looks like they want to do something; it's the same thing with engineers. So people will go to school for mechanical engineering, and then they'll take the patent bar, and maybe they're an engineer.
 
Those people all get great jobs. So it's just something you have to have as patent attorneys. So, it would help if you had something that looks like some focus on your resume. So I'll just tell you to go to engineering school.
 
We'll major in, this is very common, so major in, I don't know, mechanical engineering, or let's say they major in physics, let's just say, an engineering school principal in mechanical engineering, for example, work as an engineer for three years. Then I'm just showing you this example of these people who get fantastic jobs.
 
Then he went to major in Marin, and the school made it on him, and he went to night school or something in a third-tier law school. So what happens to these people? Then they might get out of school. Maybe they start a small firm. Take the patent, do the patent bar, and work on patents for a mechanical-related patent, whatever.
 
So hard science patents. These people may not get a job in a big firm because they went to a third-tier law school and could have done better, but these people eventually end up at giant firms. It's just invariably if they want to. They don't always. The patent attorneys are somewhat unusual, but they are because they sometimes don't care a lot.
 
But the point is that if you look like there's some sort of focus or scent on your resume as a student, you'll do well now if you're all over the place. No, so that you have to, the thing with the patent attorneys is they, there's just a, they just, they look like that.
 
And some people are like, wow, I like that. The nurse that wants to do healthcare law looks like that. The teacher. that wants to do education law or school or sue school districts or defend school districts or whatever or colleges looks so you have to look like something. If you don't look like something, you look like nothing.
 
So, let me just break it down. If you look different from something, and this is what all the resumes we saw today, we're doing everyone. So, like something, you look like nothing, and that's how the job market will treat you. That's as simple as that.
 
The market will treat you. So if that's it, you have to understand this point: if you do not look like something, you look like nothing, and that's precisely how the job market will treat you. It will treat you as nothing, and so is that something you want?
 
I don't think so. It's up to you. But you know that so have you Noticed some job posts specifically? Yes, of course, they do. Do you have any advice for condensing extensive legal experience? Yes, everything I've talked about today. You can also use chat gpt, which I recommend. I'm just, I wouldn't have recommended it six months ago when it was new or whatever, but I recommend it now works.
 
I would use chat. Gbt. I would summarize multiple positions under one heading positions under one heading, which you talked about. This means you say in-house counsel, for whatever, associate if there are five different firms.
 
You would just say, associate, you would just list that you're an associate at different firms, and then you would discuss it in an experience. That's what you do. Now, one thing that sometimes corporate attorneys, patent attorneys, and other people will do is list they have a transaction sheet, which you can do.
 
But other than that, you don't want anybody who reads your resume to know what a patent attorney does or what technology is, so you want to give people only some of this information. That won't help you in any way because all it will do is drive people away from you.
 
And so you just need to be able to summarize things. The job of an attorney. The job. And this is something a lot of people need to learn. And this is one of the problems I see when attorneys go years without getting a law firm position. And then they list all this jibber jabber in the resume.
The job of an attorney is to condense things.
 
It's coherent and easy-to-understand language that allows others to reach it. That's it. You don't you don't need to list all this stuff. It doesn't make a good impression when you list many things. That's it. You need to understand that. I don't know what else I can do. Every resume we've looked at today is not doing that; I'm guessing that these people are showing up; you're showing up a lot of times because you're having a difficult time not getting as many interviews as you would like to believe, and that, unfortunately, is the reason why.
 
Okay, so this question: what are your thoughts on incorporating multimedia? Nope. Nope. Nope. I've never seen it work. Block, frame, respond. Law firms want a traditional resume now; they will Google you and look at whatever you put out there, but out there, but they're not, but, they're not going to be impressed if you're just talking about your resume for the world.
 
They may be impressed if you're talking about an element of whatever type of law you're applying for or interested in and something along those lines or if you're a professional skier. You have a vision, those sorts of things, but they won't be interested in this other stuff.
 
Okay, this person says I was treasurer of the Black Law Students Association. Now, no one cares about if you were treasurer of the Christian Law Students Association. You're treasurer of the, no one cares. Just because you were able to watch the money of some organization, it's pretty much not something anyone's interested in knowing.
 
It's just it's not; it will detract from what matters. Thanks. Matters are not law school but law school performance. That's it. That's it. School performance and work experience. That's it. There's nothing else. That's all that matters. So you don't need to do anything else but that.
 
So I'll just say I was talking to my daughter last night, who's a junior and interested in going to a good, like a high-rank college, and she was upset that she didn't get on the international high school international club of people that have some international thing that was just completely meaningless.
 
She didn't get on it. And yet, she's taking all these A.P.s and doing well. Has all these pretty impressive things. I don't know, she's the president of her class or something, or maybe, I don't know, these great things, but then just put all this kind of meaningless stuff like association.
 
No one cares about that. They care about how you did in your A.P.s. They care about your grade point. If you're applying to a school that needs ISC critical scores, I will care about that, but that's it. They're not going to care about you. Do you think a college is looking at your resume and thinking, wow, this person was a member who did this, or they're looking at a law school is looking at your resume and saying, wow, this person was a chair of the.
 
The Episcopal Students Association or something. No, they don't care. No one cares. So you just have to think about leaving all this stuff off. Let's see, this person is difficult. So this person asked as a legal recruiter, you've seen a lot of resumes. Can you recall a time you were pleasantly surprised by the box thing?
 
Not. By creative, out-of-the-box approach to presenting legal credentials on a resume. What made it stand out? This is the first time I've seen a resume like that that worked. This is the first time I've seen a law firm hire one of my candidates with a creative resume. I've never. Heard of a candidate getting hired by a decent firm.
 
Like when I say decent, no, I've never seen it. And let me tell you how much experience I have. I have reviewed let me just tell you how high this number is. I have over 600,000 resumes that have applied to work with our company. Over the past 20-plus years, that's more than half or close to half of the attorneys in the United States.
 
So I have seen a lot of freaking resumes. I'm sure I've seen everyone on those calls. So I've never seen or worked with no; it's just no. No, you don't want to do this crap on your resume. I don't know what else to say. Yeah, this person asked a good question. And I'm thrilled this is for this person.
 
This is the, I think, one of the people that had, I don't know, the black boss students and all this stuff on the resume, and we spent a lot of time on it. I'm glad because I hope I helped. And I think this person's asked a bunch of questions. I'm going to answer them. I've answered a couple.
 
Sorry for the flurry of earlier questions. One question: should I remove the year I graduated from undergrad, 2014? Since it may bring you to the attention of what I did. Between 2014 and 2019, the year I graduated from law school. I'm a resume undergraduate, 2014, law school, 2022 before, no, you don't, unless you're doing, unless you did something before 2014 and 2017, I did a few.
 
Jobs utterly unrelated to law. No, no one cares what you did. Now, if you did something like you were an accountant or you did something exciting that relates to what you're trying to do as a lawyer in terms of the type of job you're trying to get or anything related to that. Yes, you can list that stuff on your resume for those jobs if they're consistent.
 
So, what would an example of that be? Again, it's the same thing we talked about earlier. If you were a nurse for five years and you studied nursing in college, and now you want to be a health care attorney, fine. Suppose you want to be a patent attorney and do all this, okay? If you want to be an education attorney, if you want to be a corporate attorney, and if you worked as an analyst in a bank or something, sure.
 
But other than that, no, there's no reason to do that. Let me see. Okay, so I'm just reading this question. I should be reading in front of everyone. It's on another screen. So Richard Herman, another prominent legal employment expert and job hunting expert and author, recommends people list experiences that can transfer and provide context for actual practice.
 
People who go from law school to a law office Often have little real-world practical experience across business and Democrats. Okay. So let me just tell you I don't care about it. I do care, and I certainly will be informed by different people if it suits me, but all I care about let me just explain to you my entire job and existence.
 
It's not based on doing things like this. I certainly love it. That's why I do these webinars, my entire job and existence. That supports, supports a hundred to 800 plus employees over my career. Now, when I was doing 800 employees, it was different. I was in student loans, a lot of things, but I was marketing the funds to attorneys.
 
So my entire job in assistance that supports 800 plus attorneys is based on, and that has been for 25 years. For 25 years it is based on my ability. And I want everyone to understand this is very important. My ability to get attorneys permanent law firm positions. So I could sit up and talk to people and act like I'm a freaking big deal all day, but that's just complete B.S.
 
 
The only thing that makes me able to support my family. Hundreds of employees are in the offices and servers. Just our servers are like 28,000 a month now. This is just for traffic to websites and gathering jobs. The only way I can do that is to. Tell you what works and what doesn't, and show you. I can't possibly sit around if I sat around and just lectured and wrote books, and that's complete B.S.
 
I could do that, but my advice here differs from what gets you a job and works. It's nothing. It's nothing about what other people are recommending. I have no problem with other people. Maybe this is a person for everyone, but no, I don't think the only thing that I recommend is to focus your resume on something.
 
I'm not, I don't care. Most of the resumes we saw today were done by resume companies. So my advice, as simple as it may be or complex, is just based on. What supports my employees? What can I do to make sure that I'm able to make hundreds of placements a year to make sure my company and the people there are staying employed?
 
And if I don't do that, I'm in trouble. So that's all I care about. I don't. I could sit around New York and write books or whatever, but that doesn't get people jobs, and because I'm learning about this stuff every single day and because I'm getting feedback. Making mistakes and doing things differently.
 
Okay, so this is a good question. Someone has questions about being a foreign lawyer, and CV detailed those experiences for U. S. law firms. So, I'm going to say something that could be better for a lot of people who are foreign attorneys.
 
So this person says, can you go through an example, perhaps of a CV of a foreign lawyer, and how to tailor those experiences for U.S. law firms? Okay, so I'm going to say something disappointing. You may not like it. There it could be better. So, Harvard Law School has an LLM program.
 
There are all these LLM programs all over the country where people come over and go to all these law schools from foreign countries, and the law schools take 100,000 from them or whatever it is to sit in classes for a year.
 
I remember when I was practicing. I don't know how it's changed now, but Harvard Law School used to take two attorneys or two people from the LLM program from all these different countries worldwide. It was always two. And these hundreds of attorneys would graduate each year.
 
And the year the person I knew graduated, they did get a job in the U. S. but didn't stay. They couldn't hack it after because they couldn't even distinguish between civil law and... common law, which is pretty funny, but they did pass the bar. There were only three people in the entire class who got jobs with our law firm.
 
It takes a lot of work for you to come over as a foreign lawyer and get hired. Here's the problem with visas. Why would a law firm want to involve themselves in that if they can hire? U. S. attorneys. Why? Why would they do that? Why would a law firm involve themselves in that?
 
Would you? I don't know. You might. But no. But, then they, people that come over from other countries, they leave. Foreign attorneys leave. They go home. Wouldn't you? Foreign attorneys leave. They leave. No. So that doesn't work. They don't because they don't have any connection to the U.S. They leave.
 
So you can look at all these big law firms. In New York, for example, and unfortunately all the most, all the positions for foreign attorneys at big firms, there are temporary positions for one year; there'll be some kind of program. So it takes a lot of work to make it work all day.
 
I see resumes from Attorneys who may have worked in the foreign offices of very prestigious U. S. law firms all over, and they have a tough time getting positions in the U. S. Now, even after the alum program and having worked at the U. S. law firm, they just said, Why? Why wouldn't you go back to the US? office of this giant law firm, which just doesn't happen.
 
They don't get hired. So what? That's just how it works. Foreign lawyers who want to get positions in the U. S. certainly can happen. But what you need to do in almost all cases is, in addition to your LLM, you need to get a J.D.
 
Now, I've seen many people come over and get J.D.s who are foreign attorneys and get jobs. It's the J. D. that matters. The J. D. matters because the J. D. matters. After all, everyone knows because you're competing, it matters because you're competing. You are competing with other U.S.
 
Attorneys are eating on a level playing field. So what does that mean? It means you're eating against other U. S. attorneys. The firms can judge your performance and judge how you are. How are you doing compared to other U. S. Others? Unfortunately, LLM programs, just like all graduate programs, often have massive grade inflation, so there's no re, there's no meaning to the grades.
 
It could be more sensible. They may, Maybe, have some meaning to it. I don't know. But a J. D. Your performance is measurable. You compare, and if you graduate from the top 5 percent of your class and are a foreign attorney, then yes, the J. D. Law firms will be interested in you, but not with the L.M. Most of the time.
 
You can try, but I'm just telling you, man, I think it's a rip-off. I think that people are again. I'm just telling you this again. I want to be precise. This is to help foreign attorneys, people considering attending L.M. programs, whatever. It doesn't matter the prestige of the school.
 
And none of this matters because I'm just telling you it doesn't work almost every time. It may work 2 percent of the time, but the grades don't matter. The firm you're coming from is fine. Again, I've seen people; I saw a woman from Venezuela and Florida the other day who got her job.
 
Not a great firm, but a good firm, and I don't know how she did it, but she married a U. S. person or something, but you can do it. Still, but again, my entire job, I just want to make you understand, in existence for 25 years, is based on my ability to get permanent law firm positions for people.
 
I don't know the history of our company, with 25-plus years Of representing tens of thousands of attorneys looking for jobs. I think this is the first time I've been able to get a U. S. law firm. Interested in an outlet. Now, there are some significant exceptions. I've done it with, for some reason, law firms love Australian attorneys.
 
So there's an article I wrote about that. So, I've done it with some Australian attorneys. I've done it with some attorneys, but only a few. The final point I want to make is that it's hilarious when people get a GED; I saw this one example of some Chinese guy who came over and was working for Went to.
 
University of Nebraska law school or something and did well there and then got a job working in this firm, in Nebraska somewhere, not a vast representation of people that were. Injured by tractors or something. It was hilarious. And then his resume just talked about it. I loved it.
 
I thought it was just the cutest thing I'd ever seen. And he actually was representing him, but He ended up getting a job at another firm in Nebraska or something, or maybe it was Kansas doing something similar, and I didn't place him, but he's getting jobs. So, if you get a J.D., you can get positions.
 
It doesn't necessarily matter that much where you went to law school, but if you get a J.D. in Nebraska, you're going to. Probably end up in the kind of work that a Nebraska attorney does. If you get a J.D. from Columbia or NYU, you'll end up in excellent firms, probably in New York, but the J.D. is generally the most important.
 
I didn't want to spend too much time. So someone said, where can we grab articles? I did send out the information to people about how you should have received the book or a little booklet I sent out about the top resume. Hey, what's your badge? So, I think you mean attorneys older than 15 years from moving to graduation.
 
I think I saw some resumes like today or over the week that were people who graduated from law school in the 1960s. I don't even know how that's possible. Wouldn't they be in their 60s? They'd be 26. But how many years is that? Let's see, 50, 55 years, is that? 57 years? Fifty-seven years plus 26 makes them 83.
 
If you graduated in the 1960s, if you're like older than 70 or, I don't know, 60, I don't know, but I would say you may want to remove your graduation year, but at some point, you're if you're ancient law firms are going to expect you probably want to remove it is fair.
 
What is very old? I don't know. People can practice there. The. If Biden runs for president, that'd be 83 or something. When he, so you can certainly attorneys can work their entire lives, I've seen it.
 
I remember once I had my first divorce, I was represented by an attorney who was old. He was in his eighties, which was great because he did not fight him. It just took out. It wasn't expensive. It was just a great experience all around. But the point is that he was practicing. And then I used to drive by his office for the next 7 or 8 years.
 
And he was still there. And so you must have been in his one day; I just noticed the offices for sale, and everything was closed up. So you died or something. But the point is that you can practice law forever. But. If you're trying to get a job with a firm or with a company and you're that old, obviously the law firm, most of these players are going to want to hire younger people.
 
It's not age discrimination, but you must be careful about that. Okay, this person wrote I was terminated for 21 years. Colleagues to the reason for the, no people leave in house firms and companies all the time when they're older. So you just can say you're unemployed.
 
It would help if you never said that you were fired because of age discrimination or because you were older. 50 is not very old for an attorney, but you should put only some reasons why you left the firm and all that on your resume. No, you just don't say anything.
 
And sometimes it's firms, new management comes in, you need to have business. If it's a company, a new general counsel wants their people. So there are all sorts of reasons. The nice thing is if you were there for 21 years, that's one of the most important things they can see because you committed to the jobs and environments, and we're doing a good job.
 
So that's great. I think that you can leave everything. I'll sign your resume. You don't have to say anything. The fact that you were able to work there for 21 years shows you do good work, get along with colleagues, you're committed, you don't jump around. So that's awesome. So let me look at this question real quick before, okay?
 
So this is a good question. So, I'm going to answer this one. I'm just going to put it up for everyone to see first. Give me a second. Okay. So this question makes perfect sense: A tailored resume can make a highly focused Yeah. For example, take someone who's been a solo practitioner for years and apply for a job in one area, let's say personal injury; on their resume, they did a personal injury, not in this other practice area.
 
So, let's say they had one personal injury case a year. This is what I would talk about. I would lead with personal injury, and I would say it was a solo practitioner who did personal injury, working on personal injury cases. And I would love it and would like to also work on some other types of matters. You could say that, but you don't need to explain yourself. Mostly, you don't need to. If you want to do personal injury, by the way, it is relatively easy to learn.
 
Because it takes work, it's tough, but there's, in terms of the mechanics of it, it's different from learning about how to be a patent attorney or commercial litigator. And it's just different. So I would, if you're applying for a personal injury attorney job, you wouldn't want to list any other practices, maybe if you did a bunch of other things, but you'd want to give the employer the sense that it's something you could do and leave it at that.
 
So you want to go into a manageable amount of detail about everything. Can you resume? A resume writer that could talk about, and this is the last question, incorporate everything you've taught us today. First thing, I do not do resume writing, but I do, but it's not anyway; it's so I don't know of a resume writer who can do this.
 
I think that, again, all I care about is what support my employees get, people's jobs, and my company's business. And so I'm just teaching you the stuff I know works, which I only know a few people do because they might be in different positions. I have to support a company, but those are some of the things that I would recommend. I am just looking very closely at the stuff that I've talked about today, and that's where I would leave it.
 
Just go through and write and rewrite your resume doing that. Thank you. I do recommend, so I write, Chad GVP, I would recommend the resume rules you should have the resume rules you have been sent, and I would also recommend reviewing the tons of articles and webinars and things that I've done, so I'm reviewing the materials that I make, that I that I've done on BCG.
 
And there's a lot of stuff. So I think you can pick up all this. You should not need someone else to do it. The reason is that attorneys are expected to read and digest things and then come up with conclusions based on that. So anyone can do this, and it shouldn't be. You know that is difficult to do based on all this information.
 
I know we've talked about a lot today. This webinar will be replayed. We'll go up on our website soon. So you can rewatch that when that's done. All right. Thank you, everyone, for staying on this call. I know it's a long call. Again, people that watch this stuff and spend time and attention watching these webinars, I've seen incredible things happen to people's careers.
 
People will come back to me, and it happens quite a bit. Now, every few weeks, people who are very successful in practicing law will say that this material that they've learned that they've been studying is turning their careers and lives around.
 
And the thing about that is that, that I wanted to say is most people. They become very successful, but most people have yet to come back and thank you. So it's okay. They think I did; they did everything on their own, which everything I've taught you today does mean you do what I'm around.
 
I have nothing to do with success, but it's your being hungry for the information that helps you. And also listening and taking advice from people with experience. And very few people do that. Most people think they know everything. And so the ability to do that, not just my advice, but other people's, whether it's law firms or other people to incorporate that into what you do, or people, mentors, and things can help you.
 
I would commend everyone on this call. This stuff will make you much more successful throughout your career. And make you do much better. I'm certainly impressed with everyone here. I think that you care about your career and your life. And this, the more stuff you listen to, the more you watch, the more you read.
 
Now, you don't have to read all my stuff. You can read anyone's. But the more you absorb into your practice, the better you'll do. I also give some recommendations today about a book that I keep coming back to again and again. It's a public domain. So you can. Thank you.
 
Find it and read it online, but just think and grow rich. That's important. I think that there are a lot of people. I listened to Tony Robbins when I was younger. He was much better. I'd be impactful. I've listened to lots of motivational things. It doesn't have to be that it can even be religion.
 
I don't care. But something that motivates you and gives you direction. I like thinking about Rich because I think it's straightforward, and the lessons are pretty simple. There are only five or six of 10, maybe big ones, but anything that helps you gives you.
 
Guidance in your career and the only other thing I would say, just as this is a final note, is that the people you get advice from, the people you follow, and should be people that have succeeded and what they've done or understand it.
 
And have experience doing it. That means if you get your resume done, you don't necessarily want to go to some resume company that has nothing to do with attorneys getting jobs or whatever.
 
You just need to be careful who you follow and the advice you get. Typically, the most successful people who are the best to follow are people who have succeeded themselves or whatever you're trying to get advice from.
 
Thanks again to everyone who was on this call. I think it's just incredible. You can do this and spend all this time doing it, and I will if I don't get your resume today. I apologize for that. There's just a lot to cover. And then I do have a couple. I think I'm going to have a pretty exciting webinar next week.
 
It's about an article I recently wrote. So I'm excited about that. And again, thank you, everyone, for being on this call. And I will hopefully talk to her. You'll be back next week. The only other thing I want to say is the information we covered today; I will ensure it was sent.
 
It's not that these notes are not necessarily going to make sense, but I will make sure that I send all the resumes and things that we reviewed today with all the personal information removed and all the notes. That you can look over, and hopefully, that'll help you condense everything.
 
So, thanks again. And I appreciate everyone being here and spending so much time today learning about it.